Retirement Is Dead
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Retirement Is Dead
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Re: Retirement Is Dead
#2Man, I though MacLean's was dead. I haven't see one of those in 25 years. But from the article:
Forty per cent of us in this age range have less than $5,000 in savings.
That's Canadians, aged 55-64. I expect younger generations will be no different. It's an awful lot of people, given the age demographic in the country.
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#3Man, I though MacLean's was dead. I haven't see one of those in 25 years. But from the article: Forty per cent of us in this age range have less than $5,000 in savings. That's Canadians, aged 55-64. I expect younger generations will be no different. It's an awful lot of people, given the age demographic in the country.
> That's Canadians, aged 55-64.
And while this is a Maclean's article, so it is understandably focused on Canada, pretty much everything covered in the article is also relevant to Americans with similar numbers... but with the added shitshow that prior to age 65 you will have severe health insurance concerns if you are underemployed.
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#4I've never understood the logic behind the idea of a "nest egg". Years ago, perhaps, it might not have been clear to the average person that money has to grow over time to stave off inflation, but that information has been widely available for decades and many people still don't put money into any kind of investment.
Not judging anyone. Circumstances are different for each and every person, and financial literacy isn't universal. But I am genuinely curious as to how such a large number of people that have/had careers that paid ok end up paycheck to paycheck when retirement comes around.
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#5I've never understood the logic behind the idea of a "nest egg". Years ago, perhaps, it might not have been clear to the average person that money has to grow over time to stave off inflation, but that information has been widely available for decades and many people still don't put money into any kind of investment. Not judging anyone. Circumstances are different for each and every person, and financial literacy isn…
Look around in any parking lot or stop light. Check out some real estate listings near you. Notice the number of deliveries going out at your local restaurants.
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#6I find it hard to believe the author could not figure out personal finance. He's certainly smart enough with that economics degree and those epic writing skills.
If we're just looking at how to improve the individual: The issue is lack of self discipline. as he said, it's just too easy to spend. The solution: more social security, in effect a forced retirement plan. Instead of 7.5%, make it 10% or even 15%, 20%, whatever it takes. that takes self discipline out of the equation and fixes the imbalance between spending and saving.
If we're looking at society, then there's a lot of ways to bring the cost of living down. the cost structure of an individuals spending is mostly on housing. Unfortunately, right now your only choices in the developed world are: an extremely fancy luxurious living arrangement (most condos, apartments, houses, etc) far beyond your means or an illegal tent under the highway. But, looka tthe hazda tribes: they show you don't need millions of dollars for shelter. they don't even have modern tools. they build their own shelter by hand every night with a few hours of work, with NO money or retirement savings whatsoever - what can we learn from this? sure we may not build the exact same structure but there's a lot to learn from this conceptually. There's a world of innovation waiting to happen between those luxury condos and a handwoven 3 hours makeshift tent - unfortunately right now, it's all very much Illegal.
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#7I've never understood the logic behind the idea of a "nest egg". Years ago, perhaps, it might not have been clear to the average person that money has to grow over time to stave off inflation, but that information has been widely available for decades and many people still don't put money into any kind of investment. Not judging anyone. Circumstances are different for each and every person, and financial literacy isn…
If everybody is rich, then no one is rich. In other words, if everyone has a lot of money, then the prices will be high enough to suck this money out of everyone.
America, and now much of the Western world, runs on debt and taking on debt is being instilled from the early years, so no wonder why people can't save when their income is spent on interest payments.
We know empirically that lower wealth inequality works because in the past periods with lower wealth inequality societies lived more secure lives financially, so wealth redistribution is the answer.
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#8I've never understood the logic behind the idea of a "nest egg". Years ago, perhaps, it might not have been clear to the average person that money has to grow over time to stave off inflation, but that information has been widely available for decades and many people still don't put money into any kind of investment. Not judging anyone. Circumstances are different for each and every person, and financial literacy isn…
I know lots of folks (male and female) who would have retired fine, but for one word: divorce.
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#9I've never understood the logic behind the idea of a "nest egg". Years ago, perhaps, it might not have been clear to the average person that money has to grow over time to stave off inflation, but that information has been widely available for decades and many people still don't put money into any kind of investment. Not judging anyone. Circumstances are different for each and every person, and financial literacy isn…
It gets worse when you read financial "social media" people repeating BS like "high yield savings account" there is no such thing as long as I am alive, it is something from maybe 80's or 90's or even earlier. My cousin had the idea of "just put some money in savings account each month and never check it" - that's exactly super outdated advice or a crooked one where someone doesn't know anything about ETFs and heard you put money each month in it and forget...
There is whole LARP scene of FIRE and influential bloggers from that scene are the only ones that are making money.
Nest egg I do believe had merit back when there actually were "high yield savings accounts" available. I basically see who is LARPing money management when I see they post about FIRE or HYSA, well "money market accounts" seem better and kind of like of HYSA, but the hell those are not really that easily available.
Government bonds are also rather interesting for keeping as "nest egg", corporate bonds are useless.
Article author seems to be from quite well off family lamenting he just didn't understood any of financial stuff and world moved on while he ate away whatever he had. Sad part is it can happen to any of us even if we are financially literate because market can be bad far longer than we can afford or like retirement, jobs all of this can shift while we are left with much less for day to day. Part that I don't understand is that, we should expect that outcome rather than be surprised by it. We should be surprised when all went well and there was no recession, layoffs during our lives.
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#10I've never understood the logic behind the idea of a "nest egg". Years ago, perhaps, it might not have been clear to the average person that money has to grow over time to stave off inflation, but that information has been widely available for decades and many people still don't put money into any kind of investment. Not judging anyone. Circumstances are different for each and every person, and financial literacy isn…
It's pretty easy to see how it happens. People don't intuitively understand compound interest and defer.
You're supposed to start saving during the most financially constrained portion of your life, and those are the dollars that have the most impact on your nest egg. Imagine someone starts investing $100/mo at 20 for 3% annually. Their friend who starts saving the same amount at 30 will have 30% more money, despite putting in almost as much.
A person whose parents gave them $10k for retirement at 20 and only starts investing at 30 will have as much as the person who invested religiously from 20, while a person who managed both will have double.