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Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Post by tejohnso »

So you're forced to join a gang and fight their rival gangs, or you form your own gang equipped with rifles and grenades ready to commit violence, so that you can fight against joining that gang, or any other gang. Either way you're in a violent gang.

I guess I'd rather have the state maintain a monopoly on violence.

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Post by int0x29 »

These self defense groups sound great until you think about all the problems with vigilante groups. Also they have a history of turning into cartels.

That and all things being equal I suspect most of the people in these groups would rather not be fighting.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Post by crypttales »

tejohnso wrote: post #2

So you're forced to join a gang and fight their rival gangs, or you form your own gang equipped with rifles and grenades ready to commit violence, so that you can fight against joining that gang, or any other gang. Either way you're in a violent gang. I guess I'd rather have the state maintain a monopoly on violence.

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Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Post by aucisson_masque »

Mexico has been like that for decades, I believe it's top 1 priority for most Mexicans yet it's still not fixed. What gives ?

At some point when your government is so corrupt, you got to take weapon and organize yourself. It's sad.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Post by monkaiju »

tejohnso wrote: post #2

So you're forced to join a gang and fight their rival gangs, or you form your own gang equipped with rifles and grenades ready to commit violence, so that you can fight against joining that gang, or any other gang. Either way you're in a violent gang. I guess I'd rather have the state maintain a monopoly on violence.

Not sure its fair to equate a gang fueled by drug smuggling to a self-defense militia.

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Post by inigyou »

tejohnso wrote: post #2

So you're forced to join a gang and fight their rival gangs, or you form your own gang equipped with rifles and grenades ready to commit violence, so that you can fight against joining that gang, or any other gang. Either way you're in a violent gang. I guess I'd rather have the state maintain a monopoly on violence.

These gangs are states. We can tell this because they have monopolies on violence.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Post by aucisson_masque »

int0x29 wrote: post #3

These self defense groups sound great until you think about all the problems with vigilante groups. Also they have a history of turning into cartels. That and all things being equal I suspect most of the people in these groups would rather not be fighting.

What other choice ? Politics are yet to give a solution after decades of problems.

Re: Civilians under siege by Mexican cartel fight back with AK-47s, grenades

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Post by inigyou »

monkaiju wrote: post #6
tejohnso wrote: post #2

So you're forced to join a gang and fight their rival gangs, or you form your own gang equipped with rifles and grenades ready to commit violence, so that you can fight against joining that gang, or any other gang. Either way you're in a violent gang. I guess I'd rather have the state maintain a monopoly on violence.

Not sure its fair to equate a gang fueled by drug smuggling to a self-defense militia.

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