Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta
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Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta
#2Why does Spain hold on to this little piece of imperial history on another continent? Feels like asking for trouble...
Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta
#3Why does Spain hold on to this little piece of imperial history on another continent? Feels like asking for trouble...
Ceuta is an integral part of Spain, not a “piece of imperial history”.
It has belonged to Spain since 1580. That’s one century after the Spanish kingdoms unification and four centuries before Morocco existed as an independent state.
Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta
#4Why does Spain hold on to this little piece of imperial history on another continent? Feels like asking for trouble...
Ceuta is an integral part of Spain, not a “piece of imperial history”. It has belonged to Spain since 1580. That’s one century after the Spanish kingdoms unification and four centuries before Morocco existed as an independent state.
...and how does this lead to the statement that they still need to keep it today as their territory?
Its a residue from the colonial history
Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta
#5Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ceuta is an integral part of Spain, not a “piece of imperial history”. It has belonged to Spain since 1580. That’s one century after the Spanish kingdoms unification and four centuries before Morocco existed as an independent state.
...and how does this lead to the statement that they still need to keep it today as their territory? Its a residue from the colonial history
Because it is Spain, it's not a "territory they are keeping".
Ceuta was Spanish before the US even existed.
Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
...and how does this lead to the statement that they still need to keep it today as their territory? Its a residue from the colonial history
Because it is Spain, it's not a "territory they are keeping". Ceuta was Spanish before the US even existed.
Why is the US part of the consideration?
How do you think it became Spain? Do you think some African dudes one day started saying "Hola, ahora somos Españoles?"
Nah, some Portuguese guys with weapons showed up in 1415 (it was Portugal before becoming Spanish through marriage). You know what you call it when people with weapons expand their territory on other continents? Imperialism.
Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta
#7Why does Spain hold on to this little piece of imperial history on another continent? Feels like asking for trouble...
I now realize how hypocritical it is for Spain to ask about Gibraltar to the UK while they still are keeping Ceuta in Morocco.
Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because it is Spain, it's not a "territory they are keeping". Ceuta was Spanish before the US even existed.
Why is the US part of the consideration? How do you think it became Spain? Do you think some African dudes one day started saying "Hola, ahora somos Españoles?" Nah, some Portuguese guys with weapons showed up in 1415 (it was Portugal before becoming Spanish through marriage). You know what you call it when people with weapons expand their territory on other continents? Imperialism.
How do you think Morocco became Morocco? Do you think some Moroccan dudes one day started saying they are Moroccans?
That's how stupid your question is.
There are several countries that span over more than one continent and that doesn't mean they have to give away their territories just because.
Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is the US part of the consideration? How do you think it became Spain? Do you think some African dudes one day started saying "Hola, ahora somos Españoles?" Nah, some Portuguese guys with weapons showed up in 1415 (it was Portugal before becoming Spanish through marriage). You know what you call it when people with weapons expand their territory on other continents? Imperialism.
How do you think Morocco became Morocco? Do you think some Moroccan dudes one day started saying they are Moroccans? That's how stupid your question is. There are several countries that span over more than one continent and that doesn't mean they have to give away their territories just because.
The question is: Where do you draw the line?
Because if you go back far enough, then "always any territory belonged already to someone else or the ancestors somewhen in time"
:-))
So, one might argue the "original borders" are the "true one" at that point when national states started to exist (in fact, the nation/national state is a very young construct, around ~300 years)
Re: Thousands of People break through border separating Morocco from Spain's Ceuta
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
...and how does this lead to the statement that they still need to keep it today as their territory? Its a residue from the colonial history
Because it is Spain, it's not a "territory they are keeping". Ceuta was Spanish before the US even existed.
Unfortunately, this is not the correct interpretation:
Spain became a unified nation in 1492 after the union of the Crown of Castile and the Crown of Aragon.
Ceuta was acquired "somehow around that time block", so its not true to say that Ceuta was always (ie "since ever") a part of Spain, since it was acquired shortly after the forming of Spain.