Waymos cause "way mo" injuries per mile driven than for-hire vehicles in NYC
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Re: Waymos cause "way mo" injuries per mile driven than for-hire vehicles in NYC
#2Anyone have the source for the three Waymo serious injuries or deaths? I feel like I would have heard about these on HN. Only thing I've heard of is one feline fatality and a school-aged pedestrian who was bumped, but appeared not to be injured.
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#3Anyone have the source for the three Waymo serious injuries or deaths? I feel like I would have heard about these on HN. Only thing I've heard of is one feline fatality and a school-aged pedestrian who was bumped, but appeared not to be injured.
Presumably somewhere in the links below, although I doubt the accuracy of the claims.
https://www.openplans.org/how-for-hire-autonomous-vehicles-i...
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e71380706dc865d40a6f...
Re: Waymos cause "way mo" injuries per mile driven than for-hire vehicles in NYC
#4"have a significantly higher rate of crashes with a serious injury or fatality than the existing New York City for-hire fleet"
Ok
"Waymo's fleet has not yet driven enough miles to support that they are safer than for hire vehicle drivers."
If there's not enough data to show they're "safer" than there also isn't enough data to show they are "less safe".
Re: Waymos cause "way mo" injuries per mile driven than for-hire vehicles in NYC
#5"have a significantly higher rate of crashes with a serious injury or fatality than the existing New York City for-hire fleet" Ok "Waymo's fleet has not yet driven enough miles to support that they are safer than for hire vehicle drivers." If there's not enough data to show they're "safer" than there also isn't enough data to show they are "less safe".
That depends on what your hypothesis is. If it is that Waymo cars are safer than for-hire (which I guess it's what Waymo claims), then you need enough data to reject the null hypothesis that they are equally safe. Right now there doesn't seem to be enough data to do this, so you can't conclude they are safer. They could be equally safe or more dangerous.
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#6Are they arguing that NYC taxi drivers are safer then average drivers nationwide?
Re: Waymos cause "way mo" injuries per mile driven than for-hire vehicles in NYC
#7"have a significantly higher rate of crashes with a serious injury or fatality than the existing New York City for-hire fleet" Ok "Waymo's fleet has not yet driven enough miles to support that they are safer than for hire vehicle drivers." If there's not enough data to show they're "safer" than there also isn't enough data to show they are "less safe".
I thought it was the reverse. Waymo wants to be compared to all drivers, this critic says they should be compared to taxi drivers.
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#8Anyone have the source for the three Waymo serious injuries or deaths? I feel like I would have heard about these on HN. Only thing I've heard of is one feline fatality and a school-aged pedestrian who was bumped, but appeared not to be injured.
Waymo cars are generally "involved": https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2025/09/14/waymo-...
I can only find two fatality crashes in NHTSA data, and Waymo vehicles were merely "involved" in both of them.
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#9Concretely, they are basing this analysis on 3 Waymos being involved in incidents involving a serious injury or fatality nationwide, versus 16 for NYC for hire ones (presumably in NYC or its immediate environs). The three incidents they're referring to involving a Waymo, for reference:
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-fata...
https://www.azfamily.com/2025/09/14/1-person-killed-multi-ca...
https://abc7news.com/post/police-chase-san-francisco-waymo-p...
Re: Waymos cause "way mo" injuries per mile driven than for-hire vehicles in NYC
#10"have a significantly higher rate of crashes with a serious injury or fatality than the existing New York City for-hire fleet" Ok "Waymo's fleet has not yet driven enough miles to support that they are safer than for hire vehicle drivers." If there's not enough data to show they're "safer" than there also isn't enough data to show they are "less safe".
That depends on what your hypothesis is. If it is that Waymo cars are safer than for-hire (which I guess it's what Waymo claims), then you need enough data to reject the null hypothesis that they are equally safe. Right now there doesn't seem to be enough data to do this, so you can't conclude they are safer. They could be equally safe or more dangerous.
But how do you conclude then that they are less safe? They are neither proven to be more, less, or equally safe. So any statement of "more injuries" is as unfounded as "less injuries" or "just as many injuries".
That seems like the same statement, unless we apply stochastic class level subtlety.