Show HN: A SQL engine with semantic operators to query unstructured data
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Re: Show HN: A SQL engine with semantic operators to query unstructured data
#2I built it using Apache Datafusion. It adds semantic operators to SQL such as MEANS which can be used to filter data by its meaning. The core idea is that a user should be able to process unstructured data while semcast takes care of optimizing the query, including LLM calls.
Would love some feedback
Re: Show HN: A SQL engine with semantic operators to query unstructured data
#3Interesting idea! What are you suggesting to do with relevance? I feel like one MEANS request returns just one best matching result while a user may want to have more. We decided to express it in SQL logic like what you see below but I'm really curious how the MEANS operator could be applied.
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SELECT id
FROM index_name
ORDER BY emb $query_vector
LIMIT k;
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$query_vector may come from anywhere including being transformed on the fly from 'some text'.
Re: Show HN: A SQL engine with semantic operators to query unstructured data
#4Interesting idea! What are you suggesting to do with relevance? I feel like one MEANS request returns just one best matching result while a user may want to have more. We decided to express it in SQL logic like what you see below but I'm really curious how the MEANS operator could be applied. ----- SELECT id FROM index_name ORDER BY emb $query_vector LIMIT k; ----- $query_vector may come from anywhere including being…
Yeah I’d say sorting by relevance is similar but MEANS is strictly a boolean operator only allowed in WHERE clauses at the moment.
The way it works is: 1. Prune rows based on semantic index 2. Run surviving rows through the LLM which answer yes or no to the given predicate. 3. Collect final result.
Order by relevance is on the roadmap but I haven’t given it much thought.
The use case I’ve been working with is querying meeting transcripts. May I ask what your use cases are and how you’d like order by relevance to work?
Re: Show HN: A SQL engine with semantic operators to query unstructured data
#5Interesting idea! What are you suggesting to do with relevance? I feel like one MEANS request returns just one best matching result while a user may want to have more. We decided to express it in SQL logic like what you see below but I'm really curious how the MEANS operator could be applied. ----- SELECT id FROM index_name ORDER BY emb $query_vector LIMIT k; ----- $query_vector may come from anywhere including being…
Yeah I’d say sorting by relevance is similar but MEANS is strictly a boolean operator only allowed in WHERE clauses at the moment. The way it works is: 1. Prune rows based on semantic index 2. Run surviving rows through the LLM which answer yes or no to the given predicate. 3. Collect final result. Order by relevance is on the roadmap but I haven’t given it much thought. The use case I’ve been working with is queryin…
A-ha! So you have re-ranking discreetly baked into the pipeline. I'd argue that this could be better for a user to decide but it depends on the use-case really. Speaking of 'order by relevance', the cases that I had in mind could be connected to the re-ranking use case. For example, what if I was looking for a photo of a chihuahua and then wanted to take the best 20 and run them through a re-ranker to come up with the best 5 (or best 1 even).