Rust is in TIOBE Index top 10

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Post by zdkaster » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 1:02 AM UTC

Re: Rust is in TIOBE Index top 10

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Post by panny » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 1:59 AM UTC

Now remind me of every time you said Tiobe didn't matter when we pointed out Rust wasn't in the top 10 :)

I'm more interested in that massive collapse in python over the past year. Is it due to everyone running for the doors just before the AI bubble pops? Or did AI make rewriting everything Python into Rust a reality perhaps?

Re: Rust is in TIOBE Index top 10

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Post by zdkaster » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 3:20 AM UTC

panny wrote: post #2

Now remind me of every time you said Tiobe didn't matter when we pointed out Rust wasn't in the top 10 :) I'm more interested in that massive collapse in python over the past year. Is it due to everyone running for the doors just before the AI bubble pops? Or did AI make rewriting everything Python into Rust a reality perhaps?

What's more interesting is Visual Basic is ranked as #7 and I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol.

Re: Rust is in TIOBE Index top 10

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Post by duskwuff » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 4:06 AM UTC

zdkaster wrote: post #3

panny wrote: post #2

Now remind me of every time you said Tiobe didn't matter when we pointed out Rust wasn't in the top 10 :) I'm more interested in that massive collapse in python over the past year. Is it due to everyone running for the doors just before the AI bubble pops? Or did AI make rewriting everything Python into Rust a reality perhaps?

What's more interesting is Visual Basic is ranked as #7 and I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol.

> I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol.

Because TIOBE's methodology is terrible, and always has been.

https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programminglanguages_defin...

It's literally based on the (estimated) number of search engine hits for e.g. "Python programming" on Google and a handful of site-specific search engines (e.g. Amazon, eBay, Walmart, microsoft.com, etc), with some manually applied tweaks for languages with easily confusable names. Many of the fluctuations in rankings - like the big dip in the ranking for C between 2015 and 2018 - probably have more to do with changes in search engine algorithms than any real change in popularity.

Re: Rust is in TIOBE Index top 10

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Post by DangitBobby » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 4:27 AM UTC

panny wrote: post #2

Now remind me of every time you said Tiobe didn't matter when we pointed out Rust wasn't in the top 10 :) I'm more interested in that massive collapse in python over the past year. Is it due to everyone running for the doors just before the AI bubble pops? Or did AI make rewriting everything Python into Rust a reality perhaps?

The chart shows python really surged in popularity in the 2020s. I suppose the change is surge is from AI/ML really heating up for a few years, and is now starting to cool off.

Re: Rust is in TIOBE Index top 10

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Post by zdkaster » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:12 AM UTC

duskwuff wrote: post #4

zdkaster wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's more interesting is Visual Basic is ranked as #7 and I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol.

> I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol. Because TIOBE's methodology is terrible, and always has been. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programminglanguages_defin... It's literally based on the (estimated) number of search engine hits for e.g. "Python programming" on Google and a handful of site-specific search engines (e.g. Amazon, eBay, Walmart, microsoft.com, etc), with some manually applied twe…

Oh, thanks for the info. That's suprisingly a weird index to measure usage popularity...

Re: Rust is in TIOBE Index top 10

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Post by dlcarrier » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:39 AM UTC

RIP Object Pascal, the Python of your day, except much faster and much more readable.

Re: Rust is in TIOBE Index top 10

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Post by dlcarrier » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 6:41 AM UTC

zdkaster wrote: post #3

panny wrote: post #2

Now remind me of every time you said Tiobe didn't matter when we pointed out Rust wasn't in the top 10 :) I'm more interested in that massive collapse in python over the past year. Is it due to everyone running for the doors just before the AI bubble pops? Or did AI make rewriting everything Python into Rust a reality perhaps?

What's more interesting is Visual Basic is ranked as #7 and I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol.

Scratch at #12 is even stranger. It's not even a programming language.

Re: Rust is in TIOBE Index top 10

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Post by gf000 » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 7:36 AM UTC

duskwuff wrote: post #4

zdkaster wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's more interesting is Visual Basic is ranked as #7 and I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol.

> I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol. Because TIOBE's methodology is terrible, and always has been. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programminglanguages_defin... It's literally based on the (estimated) number of search engine hits for e.g. "Python programming" on Google and a handful of site-specific search engines (e.g. Amazon, eBay, Walmart, microsoft.com, etc), with some manually applied twe…

https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2026/04/14/language-rankings-1-2...

This is usually considered a better ranking. This has Rust at #20.

Re: Rust is in TIOBE Index top 10

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Post by duskwuff » Tue, Jul 07, 2026, 8:39 AM UTC

dlcarrier wrote: post #8

zdkaster wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's more interesting is Visual Basic is ranked as #7 and I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol.

Scratch at #12 is even stranger. It's not even a programming language.

It's sort of a programming language. But not a particularly general-purpose one.