We Need a Way to Prove Online Personhood
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We Need a Way to Prove Online Personhood
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#2If we need a way to prove online personhood, then we've already lost. It means that the internet is no longer a place for humans and is, in fact, hostile to us.
I'm not saying that the personhood assertion is incorrect, only that it means something very bad.
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#3If we need a way to prove online personhood, then we've already lost. It means that the internet is no longer a place for humans and is, in fact, hostile to us. I'm not saying that the personhood assertion is incorrect, only that it means something very bad.
I agree. Maybe we have to sign a petition or something.
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#4My two cents: homocodex.com
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#5My team has been working on this in the concept of Turing Test and human vs. AI discrimination: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2605.06524
Specifically, our approach is to separate classic output-based approaches (CAPTCHAs, fingerprints, etc.) and instead look at process-based traces: how are cognitive process traces and broad behavioral metrics evolving over time with continuous human/computer use
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#6If we need a way to prove online personhood, then we've already lost. It means that the internet is no longer a place for humans and is, in fact, hostile to us. I'm not saying that the personhood assertion is incorrect, only that it means something very bad.
Plus, there is the issue of a surveillance state.
The crux is that only exceedingly large orgs - such as governments - can provide reliable and definitive identity services.
But when one of the largest democracies on the planet descends into authoritarian fascism, nerfs and outright destroys most of its democratic and independent pillars of government, and is two shakes away from a full-blown dictatorship (especially if it finds a way to delay or disable the midterm elections), any attempt by said government to implement surveillance techniques (age verification, flock, verified identity, etc.) should be met with extreme and even violent pushback.
Because nonviolent protest only works when opponents have a conscience. When they have none - and pretty much the entire Republican edifice is absolutely bereft of a conscience - non-violent protest is like digging your own grave and asking for a revolver to finish the job.
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#7If we need a way to prove online personhood, then we've already lost. It means that the internet is no longer a place for humans and is, in fact, hostile to us. I'm not saying that the personhood assertion is incorrect, only that it means something very bad.
“Already lost” — Culture doesn’t move towards an end state that is homeostatic, it keeps on evolving. The web will keep on evolving, digital tech and communications will keep on evolving. And as documented in the essay, there has in the past been a role for both identification and proof of personhood, and at present it continues to play a role, and in the future it will continue to play a role; this role shifts and changes, and good designs do emerge.
(I share your cynicism/pessimism regarding the state of the web right now, but as a realist I insist on recognizing continuous change and try to personally overcome the common “end state” fallacy/delusion.)
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#8My thoughts are bipolar on this. On one hand, the benefit of having a digital human license that can prove a real person that can be held accountable are immense.
The moment the government is involved, I get icky feels.