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Play Strength, a Rdio Feature Concept

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Re: Play Strength, a Rdio Feature Concept

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I like the idea of using stars to indicate favorite tracks. iTunes has a 5 star rating system that I use to keep my music organized and I wish Rdio had the same.

I need something more binary. Deciding between three and four stars seems totally arbitrary.

Agree. Binary on/off with the stars is a lot easier to keep track of than remembering how you define each of the 1-5 star ratings.

Re: Play Strength, a Rdio Feature Concept

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Very neat ideas here. I love the idea of helping Rdio choose what to play next by this combination of your recent plays combined popularity as defined by other users.

I also appreciate that many of the UI changes for these features are very subtle.

I just wonder how many users would actually find these features useful. I had to explain the concept of the "Collection" of a few people recently, which scared me since it's one of Rdio's core features!

Re: Play Strength, a Rdio Feature Concept

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EN (which powers the Rdio create station feature that rolled out recently) has similarity data and popularity data for songs & artists natively.

Popularity of a single song: http://developer.echonest.com/api/v4/song/search?api_key=FIL...

List of songs by an artist ordered by popularity

http://developer.echonest.com/api/v4/song/search?api_key=FIL...

Since we have Rdio in our Rosetta ID space, you can natively use Rdio IDs and get them back in your calls:

http://developer.echonest.com/api/v4/song/search?api_key=FIL...

Re: Play Strength, a Rdio Feature Concept

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Music listening is completely subjective based on the smallest of changes within any given moment. Sure, the ideas of play strength/stars/constant radio/genre/BPM all helps in culling a mood, but it will never go all the way (without some sort of brain connection device).

I may create a playlist one day based upon a certain artist (with similar artists in the mix) however the next day I may want to listen to something a bit heavier, making those playlists irrelevant no matter how far I've drilled down my preference list.

While Play Strength is a good concept, it's still just a feature that can become just as underused or overused as a star count.

Instead of focusing on how 'perfectly-automatic' we can make a playlist based on features such as genre, BPM & play strength, we should be focusing on tools that help better understand our moods, the environment around us & the energy and vibes we intend to create from the music itself. The Effect > The Cause.

Re: Play Strength, a Rdio Feature Concept

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post #3

I like the idea of using stars to indicate favorite tracks. iTunes has a 5 star rating system that I use to keep my music organized and I wish Rdio had the same.

I need something more binary. Deciding between three and four stars seems totally arbitrary.

It's all about optimizing recommendations. If you just have a star or not starred. There's a chance the service will recommend a song you will likely hate (now you could be clever here and factor in skips). So now we have Hate, Love, Unrated. This works except for your OCD users will want to rate everything. And the more ratings you have, the better your recommendations will be.

Re: Play Strength, a Rdio Feature Concept

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post #3

I like the idea of using stars to indicate favorite tracks. iTunes has a 5 star rating system that I use to keep my music organized and I wish Rdio had the same.

I need something more binary. Deciding between three and four stars seems totally arbitrary.

I only use one, three, and five stars, and it determines the "mood" of the song. One star songs are slow and chill, Three star songs are upbeat, and five star songs you'll want to rock out to.

Re: Play Strength, a Rdio Feature Concept

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I need something more binary. Deciding between three and four stars seems totally arbitrary.

It's all about optimizing recommendations. If you just have a star or not starred. There's a chance the service will recommend a song you will likely hate (now you could be clever here and factor in skips). So now we have Hate, Love, Unrated. This works except for your OCD users will want to rate everything. And the more ratings you have, the better your recommendations will be.

What about Hate, Like, Love and unrated?

I always liked the idea of being able to specifically call out those few liked tracks that are a just a little more special :)

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