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Is This the Dawn of the Tokenpocalypse?

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Re: Is This the Dawn of the Tokenpocalypse?

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The linked Reddit thread is quite hilarious. Earlier this year my company hired a new CEO and his first company address was solely to tell everyone to use AI or they’d lose their job and become unemployable in general.

I knew right there and then that he was a moron. There’s something about American companies where the best and brightest rarely show up in senior management. It seems to be populated by some weird class of golf playing NPCs that figured out how to game the system and bring all their cult members along for the ride.

My own company spent 2+ years enforcing extreme austerity, to the point of firing the very people who built everything, only to run wild with AI spending and seeing little results from it.

Surely, out there in the wilderness, there is a company staffed by intelligent, skilled people. Right?

Re: Is This the Dawn of the Tokenpocalypse?

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it'd be really funny if we got the RSI -> ASI world, all human labor became worthless, etc., but everyone with any money in the labs also lost their shirts because OSS is maximally good for most inference anyway.

The token consumption concern is real but I think the framing misses a key trend: specialized models for specific domains.

In legal tech, we run domain-specific models for contract review that use 90% fewer tokens than general-purpose LLMs because they understand legal document structure natively. The token cost per document dropped from dollars to cents.

The real "tokenpocalypse" is for use cases that try to do everything with one general model. As the ecosystem matures toward specialized tools (similar to how we got specialized IDEs for different programming languages), token efficiency improves dramatically.

The analogy holds: general-purpose models are like Swiss Army knives — useful but inefficient. Domain-specific models are like proper tools — more expensive upfront but vastly more efficient for their domain.

Re: Is This the Dawn of the Tokenpocalypse?

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Perhaps advanced AI isn't cheaper than humans.

Assuming the intelligence of a model continuously improves with scale, the token price of the best model will become increasingly expensive.

I know that tokens are currently experiencing rapid price drops, but they will eventually encounter physical limitations.

Re: Is This the Dawn of the Tokenpocalypse?

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Even on the consumer side AI providers are enshitifying the plans. Everyone saw this coming three months ago plus.

The corporate side seems to be well... stupid? Execs asking their people to burn tokens do not understand the politics and cadence of business. Corporations do not actually demand more work to be completed in the way we traditionally think. Creating a lot of stuff in a corporation tends to naturally banish most of it to the void because that stuff requires other people to exist and engage with it in order to use it, deploy it, get customers using it, etc. AI does not take up that slack in the way that we are being told because it lacks agency. For most people in corporations the problem is not that they can't do their work, their real jobs are mostly being political nodes in a vast system. There is no solution on the table to change that at all.

Re: Is This the Dawn of the Tokenpocalypse?

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I see at least two potential positives in this:

- The frontier AI companies have realized they won't be able to count on gaining ground and earning more in the future through sheer moat. They have to start earning right now.

- The playing field on the market got a whole lot more even as a result. Now everyone is competing on cost and quality - while there are still a lot of competition. AI suppliers can't easily get away with subsidizing their own product and enshittify later.

I might be missing something obvious here? It feels to me that if the frontier AI companies thought they could gain a lot more moat they wouldn't raise their prices this much this early? And their current moats/head start doesn't seem insurmountable?

Re: Is This the Dawn of the Tokenpocalypse?

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Probably the cost model for LLM providers for consumers will be somewhat subsidised by providers basically linking up extremely specific profiles about users and using these to sell products directly in an agentic pipeline which includes agentic commerce. Maybe it's less one click purchases and more one prompt purchases. Of course this stands to be pretty bad for consumers in a lot of ways (deeply invasive marketing, possibly being missold products).

Of course the question remains, who is supposed to be buying products through this system if AI systems continue to displace jobs?

Re: Is This the Dawn of the Tokenpocalypse?

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The linked Reddit thread is quite hilarious. Earlier this year my company hired a new CEO and his first company address was solely to tell everyone to use AI or they’d lose their job and become unemployable in general. I knew right there and then that he was a moron. There’s something about American companies where the best and brightest rarely show up in senior management. It seems to be populated by some weird clas…

Intelligent skilled people had been ghosted for so long that they don't bother applying anymore. Now the economy is just tree shaking, watching who will fall down. Personally I'm still irritated by the blockchain bubble and haven't even noticed when AI made me unemployable. Once in an airplane I overheard two kids from two different countries. One's job was to figure out where AI can be used, other's job was to figure out where AI can be used.

Re: Is This the Dawn of the Tokenpocalypse?

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I see at least two potential positives in this: - The frontier AI companies have realized they won't be able to count on gaining ground and earning more in the future through sheer moat. They have to start earning right now. - The playing field on the market got a whole lot more even as a result. Now everyone is competing on cost and quality - while there are still a lot of competition. AI suppliers can't easily get…

>AI can't easily get away with subsidizing their own product and enshittify later.

They have to do it in reverse order which seems to be maybe impossible. I contend that SOTA models are still quite bad at what their companies claim them to be good at. They remain confidently wrong more often than they should be. The public also is tired of 'slop' and will continue to push back on it.

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