Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
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Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#2Nice to see more literature on HN recently -- Infinite Jest came up yesterday to my delight.
Pale Fire is not my favorite Nabokov novel, largely because it's so successful at getting you in the head of someone who just fully and completely gives you the ick, top to bottom, in nearly every sentence.
This paper is awesome, though. I particularly like that Mr. Rowberry went ahead and graphed a bunch of connections, very cool.
That said, I don't think he mentions and definitely does not dive deeply into a very hypertext-y thing Nabokov did which was to write his novels using 4x6 cards. He reportedly would shuffle them and deal them out during production/finishing of his novels.
It reminds me of Zettelkasten a little, although the shuffling would be verboten to Zettelkasten practitioners. Either way, managing a novel through 4x6 cards makes me think most of his novels would be amenable to some sort of graph analysis / linking.
It's easy to imagine Pale Fire written this way, but I have a hard time imagining say Ada or Ardor written this way, I think largely because it's so long, but also because the scenes themselves are longer than I imagine can be written on notecards. But, maybe he used them for key points, images, scene goals.. lots of possibilities.
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#3Metafiction thought of as a precursor for hypertext fiction is not anything new I believe?
Awesome paper either way, just thinking that the title is quite hyperbolic.
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#4I mean, you can buy a copy in any reasonable bookshop, so I'm not sure how "lost" it is.
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#5I love this book. Before anything else it's a pleasure to read: it's funny, touching, and the constant referring to the poem at its core forces literary engagement - even if it's only to notice where Kinbote is bending the truth. It also scratches a metafictional itch that has now become a huge trend in modern media...
Spoilers below
...but I find it suffers in criticism for a different trend: that everything has a 'gotcha'. While I accept that there is no sensible reading where the narrator is entirely reliable, I reject that there is an evocative reading using the Shadean theory referenced in footnote 2.
Sometimes this is given as 'Shade wrote the whole book'. I have no time for that. You don't need a character who writes Pale Fire on index cards: that's just Nabokov. And what would it mean if this Shade writes a heartfelt canto about his own loss, then the interpretation that cruelly misses the topic?
Sometimes it's given that Kinbote is a dissociative identity of Shade. I see this as an interpretation that minimised the impact of the text to maximise the self-satisfaction of the reader. Read through the book with it in mind and you find yourself asking what's the point of it all. In line 62's explanation, Kinbote reads 'hal.....s' as 'hallucinations'. If Kinbote is a real character within the story, that's a joke between Nabokov and the reader. With this theory it's nothing. Kinbote's writings make up the bulk of what you read. It's much more interesting to do so if you choose believe there's a point to them.
Spoilers done
I had a similar experience reading interpretations of Lolita, with the added problem of takes that over-correct and signal against the subject and wider public perception.
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#6I mean, you can buy a copy in any reasonable bookshop, so I'm not sure how "lost" it is.
The article talks about Ted Nelson's demo about hypertext. The first version of the demo was using Nabokov's Pale Fire book. This first version of the demo has been lost. The article is not saying that Nabokov's book has been lost, but that the usage of Nabokov's book as a demo for hypertext has been lost.
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#7I mean, you can buy a copy in any reasonable bookshop, so I'm not sure how "lost" it is.
The article talks about Ted Nelson's demo about hypertext. The first version of the demo was using Nabokov's Pale Fire book. This first version of the demo has been lost. The article is not saying that Nabokov's book has been lost, but that the usage of Nabokov's book as a demo for hypertext has been lost.
> the usage of Nabokov's book as a demo for hypertext
I get what you are saying, but should just point out that the Kindle version of the Penguin edition provides hypertext links from the poem to the deranged narrator's commentary. I remember reading a paper edition sometime back when, and being able to flip via hypertext is definitely superior to paper page flipping. And I'm someone that loves paper books.
This is a truly amazing and very, very funny book. If you haven't read it, you are really missing out.
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#8I love this book. Before anything else it's a pleasure to read: it's funny, touching, and the constant referring to the poem at its core forces literary engagement - even if it's only to notice where Kinbote is bending the truth. It also scratches a metafictional itch that has now become a huge trend in modern media... Spoilers below ...but I find it suffers in criticism for a different trend: that everything has a '…
I went into it blind and the first thought ( which is probably very common ) is that this experience would greatly benefit from a hypertext implementation.
There's a neutral interpretation here.
https://www.tundrasquid.com/palefireindex.htm
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#9Nice to see more literature on HN recently -- Infinite Jest came up yesterday to my delight. Pale Fire is not my favorite Nabokov novel, largely because it's so successful at getting you in the head of someone who just fully and completely gives you the ick, top to bottom, in nearly every sentence. This paper is awesome, though. I particularly like that Mr. Rowberry went ahead and graphed a bunch of connections, very…
Ryan Holiday shows his index card system in a few videos, including this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU7efgGEOgk
I also often think of the passage from Pirsig's Lila where his box of index cards gets upended upon return from the bar.
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article talks about Ted Nelson's demo about hypertext. The first version of the demo was using Nabokov's Pale Fire book. This first version of the demo has been lost. The article is not saying that Nabokov's book has been lost, but that the usage of Nabokov's book as a demo for hypertext has been lost.
> the usage of Nabokov's book as a demo for hypertext I get what you are saying, but should just point out that the Kindle version of the Penguin edition provides hypertext links from the poem to the deranged narrator's commentary. I remember reading a paper edition sometime back when, and being able to flip via hypertext is definitely superior to paper page flipping. And I'm someone that loves paper books. This is a…
Interesting, I have the exact opposite experience with flipping vs linking when it comes to books like _Pale Fire_. It's a lot more difficult for me to read the end notes on kindle, especially when it cross references more than one other end notes. Just couldn't keep my head straight as where I had been already. I had to buy a paper copy of _Pale Fire_ after fidgeting on my kindle (which I usually prefer) for a while, and I just kept two bookmarks (one in the poem section, one in the end notes section), and find other end notes ad hoc. The physicality of the pages helped me navigate back and forth.