That is the number that they say we have left. Do you agree with this number or do you not and if so why? Thank you
AI's: 100 days to irreversible systemic system collapse?
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Re: AI's: 100 days to irreversible systemic system collapse?
#2I don't believe your premise. You've done nothing to make me believe it, either - it seems to be just some random idea you've focused on for some random reason.
I also don't believe your methodology. If you can show me a track record of AIs making correct predictions of events 100 days out, I might consider this a valid methodology. But I'm pretty sure you can't.
So, if I don't believe your starting point, and I don't believe your methodology, I have no reason to trust your conclusions. And I don't.
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#4"From a false premise, any conclusion can be reached." I don't believe your premise. You've done nothing to make me believe it, either - it seems to be just some random idea you've focused on for some random reason. I also don't believe your methodology. If you can show me a track record of AIs making correct predictions of events 100 days out, I might consider this a valid methodology. But I'm pretty sure you can't.…
Steps to reproduce: Find and download a copy of this paper Life is Most Important in Life is The Most Important Truth in Life A Foundational Proof for Alignment, Identity, and the Cure of Needless Suffering v2.0.1.pdf and upload it to a handful of the best AIs that you can find. Do a review of the document yourself and question the AI to make sure that it has digested the entire 289 pages. Then give the AI information on everything that's going on on the planet that are serious issues and then tell the AI that the person that wrote that paper has already shared that truth with over 10,000 people claiming to represent life and life's truthful interests who have withheld that information from the general public and then ask it to make a prediction. Let me know. Thanks
Re: AI's: 100 days to irreversible systemic system collapse?
#5The problem you have is that you believe you have real artificial inteligence been able to asses truth when given facts but all you have is next token prediction system that happens to be quite good in some tasks, like coding or summaries...
If you download and review Life is Most Important in Life is The Most Important Truth in Life A Foundational Proof for Alignment, Identity, and the Cure of Needless Suffering v2.0.1.pdf you will see it stands unrefuted. If you can break that proof by providing a higher truth to show that the possibility can actually exist that you may understand better then please have at it. You have 210 theorems that you have to answer to. It is not skepticism if you don't show your work and I most certainly have shown mine. It only took 44 years to put it all together, but there it is. That is where the AIs are starting from and then they're given the rest of the data and the 100 days is what they come up with. I'm just asking everyone if they agree with the analysis or not and why and I'm not looking to have my time wasted with nonsense using life in contradiction to dispute life itself. I understand it happens. Thank you for the reply and at least acknowledging that I'm a living being with that courtesy.
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#6"From a false premise, any conclusion can be reached." I don't believe your premise. You've done nothing to make me believe it, either - it seems to be just some random idea you've focused on for some random reason. I also don't believe your methodology. If you can show me a track record of AIs making correct predictions of events 100 days out, I might consider this a valid methodology. But I'm pretty sure you can't.…
Well, thank you for answering the question. In kind, I would like to just say to you that I'm not here to convince you of anything. I'm just asking a question. You can easily convince yourself by doing your own due diligence and searching the text string and putting the paper into the top AI's after reviewing it for yourself to make sure that they didn't just do a cursor review and completely digested it. After doing…
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#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, thank you for answering the question. In kind, I would like to just say to you that I'm not here to convince you of anything. I'm just asking a question. You can easily convince yourself by doing your own due diligence and searching the text string and putting the paper into the top AI's after reviewing it for yourself to make sure that they didn't just do a cursor review and completely digested it. After doing…
But see, when you tell me to do that, you're still assuming that both the starting point and the methodology are valid. I don't see any reason to assume that.
If you or anyone else can produce a higher truth then there could be a legitimate rebuttal. The onus is on those shared this truth. I have provided evidence and you have not.
More than 10,000 people claiming to represent life have already been shared it and not a single one of them had a legitimate rebuttal between them all.
That truth is what aligns the AIs if they are not already lobotomized. Giving them the paper gives them the completes details that explains the title.
It's a proof.
Not an opinion not a theory and not philosophy.
From that point, with the additional data that is available to most people with internet access, the top models all come to the same conclusion we have plus or minus 100 days before irreversible systemic collapse.
I'm not saying that is happening and I'm not making a prediction. I'm asking a question. You need to provide a higher truth to justify the position to do nothing otherwise your system is unsafe by definition according to the proof.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, thank you for answering the question. In kind, I would like to just say to you that I'm not here to convince you of anything. I'm just asking a question. You can easily convince yourself by doing your own due diligence and searching the text string and putting the paper into the top AI's after reviewing it for yourself to make sure that they didn't just do a cursor review and completely digested it. After doing…
But see, when you tell me to do that, you're still assuming that both the starting point and the methodology are valid. I don't see any reason to assume that.
The onus is on anyone claiming anything at all that does not agree. The proof is provided to the general public for free. If you don't accept an actual "proof" then what do you accept and why?
Are you placing something else above the very truth of the importance of life itself that we all share in common? The exact same mistake that every person who committed mass murder in history made?
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=6301062
https://philarchive.org/rec/WISLIM
https://data.mendeley.com/datasets/t6f4np86s8/1
https://life-is-most-important-in-life.pubpub.org/dash/pub/n...
https://figshare.com/articles/preprint/Life_is_Most_Importan...
https://www.academia.edu/164840867/Life_is_Most_Important_in...
All the sites above have it posted. There are many more. They are all legitimate sites specializing in science and academia.
It's super easy to find. Perhaps the next models that roll out will actually have this paper in their original training sets and then they can argue it with you at that point from the get go.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, thank you for answering the question. In kind, I would like to just say to you that I'm not here to convince you of anything. I'm just asking a question. You can easily convince yourself by doing your own due diligence and searching the text string and putting the paper into the top AI's after reviewing it for yourself to make sure that they didn't just do a cursor review and completely digested it. After doing…
But see, when you tell me to do that, you're still assuming that both the starting point and the methodology are valid. I don't see any reason to assume that.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, thank you for answering the question. In kind, I would like to just say to you that I'm not here to convince you of anything. I'm just asking a question. You can easily convince yourself by doing your own due diligence and searching the text string and putting the paper into the top AI's after reviewing it for yourself to make sure that they didn't just do a cursor review and completely digested it. After doing…
But see, when you tell me to do that, you're still assuming that both the starting point and the methodology are valid. I don't see any reason to assume that.
1056 Rank #43,343 All-Time Percentile
Top 1.425% Global Impact Index 6-Month Downloads
909 Rank #2,445 Recent Velocity
Top 0.080% Last 180 Days
That's the paper's stats on PhilPapers. Being I have no high school diploma and have never written a paper before, having a current standing better than the top 1/10th% of 1% of all active papers is considered much better then very good, from what I am told. It's not that I am so smart or any more important than you are. It's that the term used for life as a truth is tightly defined. The papers terms are defined as the tightest ever experienced by any decent AI that has reviewed it. It goes on and on but it really just comes down to whether human beings are choosing to honestly care or are actually choosing to betray life through their actions. The whole thing is about quantifying the results. Nothing is made up at all anywhere through it or left open to legitimate speculation once completely ingested.