The Zechner-Lopopolo Continuum: Do you even read your Clanker code? Should you?
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Re: The Zechner-Lopopolo Continuum: Do you even read your Clanker code? Should you?
#2I spent the whole last week covering, speaking to, debating with many of the top AI Engineers, at the AIE Europe conference in London. One question came up, and I dubbed it the Z/L Continuum: Should AI Engineers even look at code anymore?
Re: The Zechner-Lopopolo Continuum: Do you even read your Clanker code? Should you?
#3i think the intended target of the software matters - Zechner needs to make a small tasteful core agent that others can extend/depend on, whereas Lopopolo needs to ship a large 1M LOC enterprise app with a tiny team of 5
the code conclusions kinda fall out of those constraints
Re: The Zechner-Lopopolo Continuum: Do you even read your Clanker code? Should you?
#4i think the intended target of the software matters - Zechner needs to make a small tasteful core agent that others can extend/depend on, whereas Lopopolo needs to ship a large 1M LOC enterprise app with a tiny team of 5 the code conclusions kinda fall out of those constraints
Thanks Swyx! I agree, I mentioned in the end where I sit on the continuum, but I don't maintain any hugely critical production code.
Do you think the intended target will matter as much as it does in a year?
Re: The Zechner-Lopopolo Continuum: Do you even read your Clanker code? Should you?
#5i think the intended target of the software matters - Zechner needs to make a small tasteful core agent that others can extend/depend on, whereas Lopopolo needs to ship a large 1M LOC enterprise app with a tiny team of 5 the code conclusions kinda fall out of those constraints
Thanks Swyx! I agree, I mentioned in the end where I sit on the continuum, but I don't maintain any hugely critical production code. Do you think the intended target will matter as much as it does in a year?
no it should matter less over time
Re: The Zechner-Lopopolo Continuum: Do you even read your Clanker code? Should you?
#6This is the topic of almost every conversation I'm having with friends who are programmers right now. The compiler analogy (we basically never read compiler output) is the thing I keep thinking about.
Re: The Zechner-Lopopolo Continuum: Do you even read your Clanker code? Should you?
#7I'm clearly on the Lopopolo side of the Zechner-Lopopolo Continuum. We've reached a point where I trust SOTA AI to write better code and perform better reviews than I can in many situations - given proper, thorough prompting. It's far from hands-off, which is why I much prefer the term "agentic engineering" over "vibe coding". The `/review` command is my new best friend: I run it after every major change an agent makes, just as I used to ask "are you sure?" after every important response from a chatbot.