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Is math big or small?

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Re: Is math big or small?

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Good article. Math is smaller than the smallest and bigger than the biggest.

It's also deep, it goes all the way to the bottom.

> The world of mathematics is both broad and deep, and we need birds and frogs working together to explore it. -- Freeman Dyson

Re: Is math big or small?

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> When Illustrating a mathematical idea, the first thing you need to decide is the scale.

I have spent much of my life illustrating mathematical ideas, and scale is never the first thing I decide. Most commonly it stays abstract and there is no scale; it's flexible and I can zoom in and out at will. Sometimes I will choose a scale partway through or towards the end of an explanation, if I want to use a specific analogy, but I can comfortably rescale it to something else - the scale is never fixed.

Interesting to see such a different view.

Re: Is math big or small?

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Good article. Math is smaller than the smallest and bigger than the biggest.

It's also deep, it goes all the way to the bottom. > The world of mathematics is both broad and deep, and we need birds and frogs working together to explore it. -- Freeman Dyson

Weird Things Happen When Math Gets Too Expressive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVwQsvof7Hw

Peano arithmetic is sufficiently expressive enough to be equivalent to any possible future theory of mathematics.

Re: Is math big or small?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also deep, it goes all the way to the bottom. > The world of mathematics is both broad and deep, and we need birds and frogs working together to explore it. -- Freeman Dyson

Weird Things Happen When Math Gets Too Expressive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVwQsvof7Hw Peano arithmetic is sufficiently expressive enough to be equivalent to any possible future theory of mathematics.

Even before I started the video, I had a feeling it was going to lead to a kind of "introspective" mathematics that can reason about its own reasoning. I was not disappointed, thank you.

Physics, Topology, Logic and Computation: A Rosetta Stone - https://arxiv.org/abs/0903.0340

Re: Is math big or small?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird Things Happen When Math Gets Too Expressive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVwQsvof7Hw Peano arithmetic is sufficiently expressive enough to be equivalent to any possible future theory of mathematics.

Even before I started the video, I had a feeling it was going to lead to a kind of "introspective" mathematics that can reason about its own reasoning. I was not disappointed, thank you. Physics, Topology, Logic and Computation: A Rosetta Stone - https://arxiv.org/abs/0903.0340

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Re: Is math big or small?

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> When Illustrating a mathematical idea, the first thing you need to decide is the scale. I have spent much of my life illustrating mathematical ideas, and scale is never the first thing I decide. Most commonly it stays abstract and there is no scale; it's flexible and I can zoom in and out at will. Sometimes I will choose a scale partway through or towards the end of an explanation, if I want to use a specific analo…

Totally agree. I really enjoyed the article, and the illustrations are really cool but scale is just something I don’t even consider. Even the very first question baffled me, when it said “Picture a torus. Is it big or small?”

I answered an unambiguous “yes”.

Also, we haven’t defined measure yet here have we? What does it even mean for something to have scale without measure?

Re: Is math big or small?

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> When Illustrating a mathematical idea, the first thing you need to decide is the scale. I have spent much of my life illustrating mathematical ideas, and scale is never the first thing I decide. Most commonly it stays abstract and there is no scale; it's flexible and I can zoom in and out at will. Sometimes I will choose a scale partway through or towards the end of an explanation, if I want to use a specific analo…

Totally agree. I really enjoyed the article, and the illustrations are really cool but scale is just something I don’t even consider. Even the very first question baffled me, when it said “Picture a torus. Is it big or small?” I answered an unambiguous “yes”. Also, we haven’t defined measure yet here have we? What does it even mean for something to have scale without measure?

Right, I immediately saw a torus - it was light blue (that's trivial to change, but I can't have no colour if it's visual) - but it could have been the size of a bacterium or the size of a galaxy. Without any context or application, the size is undefined.
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