EU Migration to and from the UK (Since Brexit)
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EU Migration to and from the UK (Since Brexit)
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Re: EU Migration to and from the UK (Since Brexit)
#2I have an acquaintance with children that grew up thinking they were European and having options for education and later work in Europe, or the UK if they wanted. Their opportunities and perspective are much smaller now. It was a huge change in perspective for them.
Re: EU Migration to and from the UK (Since Brexit)
#3I have an acquaintance with children that grew up thinking they were European and having options for education and later work in Europe, or the UK if they wanted. Their opportunities and perspective are much smaller now. It was a huge change in perspective for them.
Same works the other way. English is a de facto lingua franca. Migrating between different countries within Europe comes with challenges because many countries still stubbornly implicitly require immigrants to know the native language. With the UK in the EU it was the path of least resistance when migration was considered temporary.
Re: EU Migration to and from the UK (Since Brexit)
#4I have an acquaintance with children that grew up thinking they were European and having options for education and later work in Europe, or the UK if they wanted. Their opportunities and perspective are much smaller now. It was a huge change in perspective for them.
Same works the other way. English is a de facto lingua franca. Migrating between different countries within Europe comes with challenges because many countries still stubbornly implicitly require immigrants to know the native language. With the UK in the EU it was the path of least resistance when migration was considered temporary.
Calling people's preference for their own language "stubborn" is a puzzlingly entitled take. Do you expect every country in Europe to change their language to English? If not, how do you propose immigrants be fully functional in a country without speaking the local language?
Re: EU Migration to and from the UK (Since Brexit)
#5If you were an EU citizen settled in the UK before Brexit then Brexit hasn't changed anything at all.
> From the 2021/22 academic year, EU nationals became subject to the same rules as non-EU citizens. Those include needing to apply for a study visa and pay higher international student tuition fees, without entitlement to government-subsidised loans.
This is key because with Brexit, and the UK leaving Erasmus as well, EU students are indeed charged much higher tuition fees than UK students. Tuition fees are alreay high in England for British students, but for internationa students it can be £30k+ a year...
Re: EU Migration to and from the UK (Since Brexit)
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same works the other way. English is a de facto lingua franca. Migrating between different countries within Europe comes with challenges because many countries still stubbornly implicitly require immigrants to know the native language. With the UK in the EU it was the path of least resistance when migration was considered temporary.
Calling people's preference for their own language "stubborn" is a puzzlingly entitled take. Do you expect every country in Europe to change their language to English? If not, how do you propose immigrants be fully functional in a country without speaking the local language?
Entirely agree with you but... Europe not having a common language is one of the things that holds it back from being a stronger competitor against the US and CN. It's just one of the myriad of other things holding EU back.
Re: EU Migration to and from the UK (Since Brexit)
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Calling people's preference for their own language "stubborn" is a puzzlingly entitled take. Do you expect every country in Europe to change their language to English? If not, how do you propose immigrants be fully functional in a country without speaking the local language?
Entirely agree with you but... Europe not having a common language is one of the things that holds it back from being a stronger competitor against the US and CN. It's just one of the myriad of other things holding EU back.
It is useless to think that we always "have to compete" head to head. We don't have to be bigger than the bull. Frankly the argument is mostly a way to justify EU federalisation and the death of individual countries and cultures for the sake of "uniformisation" like if that was something unavoidable.
Re: EU Migration to and from the UK (Since Brexit)
#8I have an acquaintance with children that grew up thinking they were European and having options for education and later work in Europe, or the UK if they wanted. Their opportunities and perspective are much smaller now. It was a huge change in perspective for them.
I think this is more psychological than factual.
"The number of UK students moving abroad for the whole of a degree did not change in the same way – remaining relatively stable over the past decade. This is perhaps unsurprising given that very few UK students study abroad for the entirety of a degree anyway (particularly in Europe), and those that do so are unlikely to have been severely disadvantaged by the financial changes wrought by Brexit: although they now have to pay ‘international’ fees in Europe, these are typically less than the ‘home’ fees they would have paid in the UK." [1]
There is also the issue of speaking a foreign language well enough to follow an university course as they are usually taught in the local language. Same goes for work.
Re: EU Migration to and from the UK (Since Brexit)
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same works the other way. English is a de facto lingua franca. Migrating between different countries within Europe comes with challenges because many countries still stubbornly implicitly require immigrants to know the native language. With the UK in the EU it was the path of least resistance when migration was considered temporary.
Calling people's preference for their own language "stubborn" is a puzzlingly entitled take. Do you expect every country in Europe to change their language to English? If not, how do you propose immigrants be fully functional in a country without speaking the local language?
Well, let's take the Netherlands or Scandinavian countries as example. Their languages are alive and well, yet temporary work immigrants can live fully functional lives with speaking only English. Europe will be held back economically as long as there are communication obstacles.
Anecdotally, English is the only foreign language I know well enough to communicate fluently. Suppose I received a job offer from Germany and decided to migrate. Should I start learning German along with learning at a new job and other obligations, keeping in mind I will probably switch jobs again in a few years? What's next - French or Italian?
Language should serve the people, not the other way around.
Re: EU Migration to and from the UK (Since Brexit)
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Entirely agree with you but... Europe not having a common language is one of the things that holds it back from being a stronger competitor against the US and CN. It's just one of the myriad of other things holding EU back.
It is useless to think that we always " have to compete " head to head. We don't have to be bigger than the bull. Frankly the argument is mostly a way to justify EU federalisation and the death of individual countries and cultures for the sake of "uniformisation" like if that was something unavoidable.
I agree that competition between peoples is counterproductive. But this is the world we live in. I also think that in large part international competition is pushed by the US as part of their culture and because they are the leading world power. In this world order, Europeans should be able to sit at the table as equals with other major powers.
Also, why does federalization have to mean the death of cultures? Can't we come up with ideas how to have both?