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UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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The article makes the impression, that this security threats caused by climate change are somewhat new to gov bodies. As this is not true, the risks for political and societal stability and security have been very well researched in depth in the respective scientific disciplines since the Club of Rome firstly broad this topic to the larger public attention in 1972. But the contradicting forces are not long-term perspectives but short term gains on the political agenda, which makes it much harder to lobby for solutions against threats, which will happen "only" in 5 to 10 years in the future.

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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The article makes the impression, that this security threats caused by climate change are somewhat new to gov bodies. As this is not true, the risks for political and societal stability and security have been very well researched in depth in the respective scientific disciplines since the Club of Rome firstly broad this topic to the larger public attention in 1972. But the contradicting forces are not long-term persp…

That doesn't mean that efforts to suppress awareness and subsequently action against climate change isn't being done to this very day. Some of it is done by governments (such as mentioned here, or with the EPA dismantling in the US), some by hostile governments (e.g. Russia funding a lot of the Western far-right parties that all run on climate change denial), some by fossil fuel companies (e.g. BP creating the "CO2 footprint" to individualize responsibility), and the rest by utterly braindead clown individuals (we used to call them "village idiots") that, thanks to the Internet, now have a global audience.

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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> If collapse happens, it notes the UK does not have the ability to absorb global shocks through higher domestic output. It lacks enough land to feed its population or rear livestock to maintain current consumption patterns and price levels.

Yet they're pushing to use farmland for solar farms and social housing.

There's a real hatred of farmers among the UK Leftist/Green crowd.

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> If collapse happens, it notes the UK does not have the ability to absorb global shocks through higher domestic output. It lacks enough land to feed its population or rear livestock to maintain current consumption patterns and price levels. Yet they're pushing to use farmland for solar farms and social housing. There's a real hatred of farmers among the UK Leftist/Green crowd.

There's certainly a justified hatred of faux-farmers of convenience such as Clarkson et al.

I suspect that's the hatred being mischaracterised and amplified by the GBNews Farrage crowd.

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> If collapse happens, it notes the UK does not have the ability to absorb global shocks through higher domestic output. It lacks enough land to feed its population or rear livestock to maintain current consumption patterns and price levels. Yet they're pushing to use farmland for solar farms and social housing. There's a real hatred of farmers among the UK Leftist/Green crowd.

There's certainly a justified hatred of faux-farmers of convenience such as Clarkson et al. I suspect that's the hatred being mischaracterised and amplified by the GBNews Farrage crowd.

No. It's because farmers sometimes pollute rivers (despite household sewage being pumped into UK rivers daily), want to kill badgers to stop TB spreading, and because they work large areas of land they're obviously wealthy.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's certainly a justified hatred of faux-farmers of convenience such as Clarkson et al. I suspect that's the hatred being mischaracterised and amplified by the GBNews Farrage crowd.

No. It's because farmers sometimes pollute rivers (despite household sewage being pumped into UK rivers daily), want to kill badgers to stop TB spreading, and because they work large areas of land they're obviously wealthy.

Sure, someone always believes such things, .. is that really widespread and a core belief of the "the UK Leftist/Green crowd." ?

The constant observation made about the UK is there's always an excess amplification of what various groups are alleged to believe.

Last I checked, the current King is in the "Leftist/Green" camp and pro-farmer. (by default, he'd be "UK" and not a "crowd" though).

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> If collapse happens, it notes the UK does not have the ability to absorb global shocks through higher domestic output. It lacks enough land to feed its population or rear livestock to maintain current consumption patterns and price levels. Yet they're pushing to use farmland for solar farms and social housing. There's a real hatred of farmers among the UK Leftist/Green crowd.

I don't think it's been possible to feed the UK domestically since before WW2.

I note you put the word "social" in there; very little social housing is being built, it's mostly private. Agrivoltaics are also possible, but of course everyone would rather do the politics of emotions ("hate farmers") than discuss the issues. Such as how we grow enough electricity, too.

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's certainly a justified hatred of faux-farmers of convenience such as Clarkson et al. I suspect that's the hatred being mischaracterised and amplified by the GBNews Farrage crowd.

No. It's because farmers sometimes pollute rivers (despite household sewage being pumped into UK rivers daily), want to kill badgers to stop TB spreading, and because they work large areas of land they're obviously wealthy.

Is there any strong evidence that killing badgers reduces bovine TB?
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