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A Plain Anabaptist Story: The Hutterites

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I grew up in South Dakota and had a friend that left a colony. He had a driving interest in all things mechanical, and loved nothing more than to ride a motorcycle on gravel, spinning the rear wheel. His attitude towards life was very matter-of-fact, and he was a very hard worker. Great guy, I’d like to talk with him again some day.

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I first learned about the Anabaptists through this episode [1] of Dan Carlin's Hardcore History.

It's not mentioned in the article, but an interesting event in the early history was Anabaptists taking over the city of Munster and forming a sort of commune, later having the city sieged upon [2].

It's a little lengthy, but one of my favorite episodes of a history podcast and definitely worth the listen.

[1] https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-48-prophe...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Münster_rebellion

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I first learned about the Anabaptists through this episode [1] of Dan Carlin's Hardcore History. It's not mentioned in the article, but an interesting event in the early history was Anabaptists taking over the city of Munster and forming a sort of commune, later having the city sieged upon [2]. It's a little lengthy, but one of my favorite episodes of a history podcast and definitely worth the listen. [1] https://www…

This is indeed one of the best episodes. Wrath of khan is also amazing if anyone is wanting to jump into hardcore history.

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I first learned about the Anabaptists through this episode [1] of Dan Carlin's Hardcore History. It's not mentioned in the article, but an interesting event in the early history was Anabaptists taking over the city of Munster and forming a sort of commune, later having the city sieged upon [2]. It's a little lengthy, but one of my favorite episodes of a history podcast and definitely worth the listen. [1] https://www…

The Munster siege is also a centerpiece of the novel “Q”, which is well worth a read, especially if you enjoy all things Anabaptist.

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Serious question: do other religions inspire/invite/create these kind of nutso, radical-agenda splinters? There's the sect that died out because they believed all sex was sinful, even in marriage. Various doomsday cults. Anabaptists taking over cities forcibly (OK, that's a common religious thing...).

I mean, I can think of a few non-Christian examples, but most of what I'm aware of originate from OT+NT bible followers.

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Serious question: do other religions inspire/invite/create these kind of nutso, radical-agenda splinters? There's the sect that died out because they believed all sex was sinful, even in marriage. Various doomsday cults. Anabaptists taking over cities forcibly (OK, that's a common religious thing...). I mean, I can think of a few non-Christian examples, but most of what I'm aware of originate from OT+NT bible followe…

Its partly because you are putting an Abrahamic framing on it.

For example, Buddhists do think you advance by giving up all attachments, which includes not only sex, but all forms of love for individuals - the Buddha left his wife, child, and society to seek enlightenment, and that is their ideal. Buddhist monks are celibate. Hinduism can be very austere too.

Christianity is actually a pretty sex positive religion - the Catholic Church requires sex as part of a sacrament (a marriage is only valid if consummate) and there are similar rules in the other big churches.

The anti-sex cults are pretty small. They are not all nutcases either - Shakers seem OK AFAIK, for example.

I think what you are aware of in terms of extreme groups reflects the culture you live in. There are Hindu nationalists, there are violent Buddhist movements, etc.

The biggest and most violent extremist movements of the last 100 years or so have been non-religious ideologies, often anti-religious ones.

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Serious question: do other religions inspire/invite/create these kind of nutso, radical-agenda splinters? There's the sect that died out because they believed all sex was sinful, even in marriage. Various doomsday cults. Anabaptists taking over cities forcibly (OK, that's a common religious thing...). I mean, I can think of a few non-Christian examples, but most of what I'm aware of originate from OT+NT bible followe…

Its partly because you are putting an Abrahamic framing on it. For example, Buddhists do think you advance by giving up all attachments, which includes not only sex, but all forms of love for individuals - the Buddha left his wife, child, and society to seek enlightenment, and that is their ideal. Buddhist monks are celibate. Hinduism can be very austere too. Christianity is actually a pretty sex positive religion -…

>Christianity is actually a pretty sex positive religion - the Catholic Church requires sex as part of a sacrament (a marriage is only valid if consummate) and there are similar rules in the other big churches.

Christianity considers any sexual activity other than heterosexual sex for procreation within marriage to be sinful, and female sexuality to be inherently corrupting because "it was Eve who tempted Adam in the Garden of Eden."

The Christian dogma around sex and sexuality has led to thousands of years of sexual assaults and violence against women, persecution of gay and transgender people, suppression of access to medical care (particularly in poor countries,) suppression of any useful sexual education beyond "abstinence only", censorship of art and media and countless other crimes and horrors. That isn't "sex positive" in any commonly understood sense of the term.

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The Bruderhof movement also comes from a Hutterist heritage and has several communities in the US and the world, including a historically significant community in Asunción, Paraguay (Villa Primavera) Their website: https://www.bruderhof.com

Religious freedom is one of the claims to fame that my country has.

One of the oldest ideas in Western statecraft is that you can't have a country with religious diversity. So when a town became protestant all the catholics had to leave and vice versa. But in the Netherlands the leaders devised a sort of "diversity is strength" policy tolerating all kinds of weirdos as long as they paid taxes and didn't disturb the peace. This is how Jews ended up in Amsterdam.

However the real crazies who did not want to function in society ended up in America.

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