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The most-seen UI on the internet? Redesigning turnstile and challenge pages

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Re: The most-seen UI on the internet? Redesigning turnstile and challenge pages

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Post by noplacelikehome »

As a user of an unsigned Firefox fork, Turnstile has ruined a moderate portion of the Internet for me. The way Cloudflare doesn’t think twice about eroding user freedoms, for the sake of a gate that can be trivially bypassed with solvarr or similar, is deeply disturbing. They are no longer a force for good on the web.

Re: The most-seen UI on the internet? Redesigning turnstile and challenge pages

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Post by tempest_ »

noplacelikehome wrote: post #2

As a user of an unsigned Firefox fork, Turnstile has ruined a moderate portion of the Internet for me. The way Cloudflare doesn’t think twice about eroding user freedoms, for the sake of a gate that can be trivially bypassed with solvarr or similar, is deeply disturbing. They are no longer a force for good on the web.

As bad as cloudflare is there is a reason people use it.

If you try and run a site that has content that LLMs want or expensive calls that require a lot of compute and can exhaust resources if they are over used the attack is relentless. It can be a full time job trying to stop people who are dedicated to scrapping the shit out of your site.

Even CF doesnt even really stop it any more. The agent run browsers seem to bypass it with relative ease.

Re: The most-seen UI on the internet? Redesigning turnstile and challenge pages

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Post by flexagoon »

noplacelikehome wrote: post #2

As a user of an unsigned Firefox fork, Turnstile has ruined a moderate portion of the Internet for me. The way Cloudflare doesn’t think twice about eroding user freedoms, for the sake of a gate that can be trivially bypassed with solvarr or similar, is deeply disturbing. They are no longer a force for good on the web.

I see people saying that a lot, but I use Zen which is a fork of Firefox and I don't think I've ever had an issue with Turnstile, at least not noticeably more than I had on mobile Chrome.

Re: The most-seen UI on the internet? Redesigning turnstile and challenge pages

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Post by neoromantique »

tempest_ wrote: post #3
noplacelikehome wrote: post #2

As a user of an unsigned Firefox fork, Turnstile has ruined a moderate portion of the Internet for me. The way Cloudflare doesn’t think twice about eroding user freedoms, for the sake of a gate that can be trivially bypassed with solvarr or similar, is deeply disturbing. They are no longer a force for good on the web.

As bad as cloudflare is there is a reason people use it. If you try and run a site that has content that LLMs want or expensive calls that require a lot of compute and can exhaust resources if they are over used the attack is relentless. It can be a full time job trying to stop people who are dedicated to scrapping the shit out of your site. Even CF doesnt even really stop it any more. The agent run browsers seem to…

Vast majority of websites today can and should be static, which makes even the aggressive llm scrapping non-issue.

Re: The most-seen UI on the internet? Redesigning turnstile and challenge pages

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

neoromantique wrote: post #5
tempest_ wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As bad as cloudflare is there is a reason people use it. If you try and run a site that has content that LLMs want or expensive calls that require a lot of compute and can exhaust resources if they are over used the attack is relentless. It can be a full time job trying to stop people who are dedicated to scrapping the shit out of your site. Even CF doesnt even really stop it any more. The agent run browsers seem to…

Vast majority of websites today can and should be static, which makes even the aggressive llm scrapping non-issue.

One of the things that a lot of LLM scrapers are fetching are git repositories. They could just use git clone to fetch everything at once. But instead, they fetch them commit by commit. That's about as static as you can get, and it is absolutely NOT a non-issue.

Re: The most-seen UI on the internet? Redesigning turnstile and challenge pages

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Post by pchew »

flexagoon wrote: post #4
noplacelikehome wrote: post #2

As a user of an unsigned Firefox fork, Turnstile has ruined a moderate portion of the Internet for me. The way Cloudflare doesn’t think twice about eroding user freedoms, for the sake of a gate that can be trivially bypassed with solvarr or similar, is deeply disturbing. They are no longer a force for good on the web.

I see people saying that a lot, but I use Zen which is a fork of Firefox and I don't think I've ever had an issue with Turnstile, at least not noticeably more than I had on mobile Chrome.

Zen has been signed for close to a year.
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