Where did Pierre 303 go? He was an all-star
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Where did Pierre 303 go? He was an all-star
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Re: Where did Pierre 303 go? He was an all-star
#2Could someone summarize how programmers.stackexchange.com has changed, for those of us who were not heavy users?
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Re: Where did Pierre 303 go? He was an all-star
#4Could someone summarize how programmers.stackexchange.com has changed, for those of us who were not heavy users?
From one of the participants who is/has been in touch with prominent figures on P.SE:
http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/a/4018
>If someone makes a Q&A site for Programmers to ask questions and get answers from other Programmers about any issue related to their career choice or self-identity as a programmer, let me know. I'd love to participate in such a site again, and will help you promote it.
>As for this site, I'm done with it unless something changes. I feel its changed too far from the original programming resource it once was, and the current moderation style is not for me.
>I dislike that so much valuable information gets deleted for the sake of "maintaining a clean site", dislike the way many users are treated (particularly new ones), and dislike the way the overall culture of this site has been changing from a community of programmers out to teach and learn from each other, to an insular group of programming elitists (of course this isn't all of you, or probably even most of you. Its just a large percentage of the more active/vocal users who take part in running the site).
>Anyways, I'm not interested in helping to support this site anymore, although I will be happy to take part in any initiatives to changes things.
edit:sorry for the weird live-updating, I got lost in proxy errors.
edit2:this quote is not from Pierre 303. It is from a profile page that Pierre 303 agrees on and he said the [argument exposed] is the reason he left.
Re: Where did Pierre 303 go? He was an all-star
#5Could someone summarize how programmers.stackexchange.com has changed, for those of us who were not heavy users?
From one of the participants who is/has been in touch with prominent figures on P.SE: http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/a/4018 >If someone makes a Q&A site for Programmers to ask questions and get answers from other Programmers about any issue related to their career choice or self-identity as a programmer, let me know. I'd love to participate in such a site again, and will help you promote it. >As for this s…
So did someone start a competing site he contributes to now?
Re: Where did Pierre 303 go? He was an all-star
#6Could someone summarize how programmers.stackexchange.com has changed, for those of us who were not heavy users?
When programmers came about, SO (StackOverflow) was already a well-established site for technical questions. It has a hard line on questions that are difficult to answer directly, either with simple logic or code, or references.
Programmers was created (or so it seemed) with a similar goal, but for not directly technical questions. Typically things that are too high-level and not detailed enough for SO end up there, e.g. questions about architecture, design patterns or paradigms (and many others).
What seems to have changed is that the moderation policy has become ever more to the letter, closing any question which doesn't seem to fit the site. The problem with this is that most of the policy (the "FAQ") is in line with that of SO, where it works great. I honestly don't think that high-level, architectural questions can be answered in a 100% correct way; they are often too fuzzy, involving trade-offs that are different for different organisations and people. So basically, if any question comes along which has no single "correct" answer, it is likely to be closed. This is a bit of a problem, because I for one would love to read about the (highly educated and refined) opinions of some great developers. Apparently that isn't allowed, however, only "facts".
Re: Where did Pierre 303 go? He was an all-star
#7Could someone summarize how programmers.stackexchange.com has changed, for those of us who were not heavy users?
When programmers came about, SO (StackOverflow) was already a well-established site for technical questions. It has a hard line on questions that are difficult to answer directly, either with simple logic or code, or references. Programmers was created (or so it seemed) with a similar goal, but for not directly technical questions. Typically things that are too high-level and not detailed enough for SO end up there,…
This is exactly what happened to Literature.SE and a couple of other sites I dipped into (although Lit.SE was my most active, and I was in the top 10 users there before it closed).
The moderation was harsh and it led to questions being mundane, tedious or boring - and a race to get the "right answer" in (with little effort on quality). Opinion was stamped on and it was clear that SE was looking for mindless answer-drones and not a community with opinions and views.
Unsurprisingly, Lit.SE died a death after less than a year.
Re: Where did Pierre 303 go? He was an all-star
#8Could someone summarize how programmers.stackexchange.com has changed, for those of us who were not heavy users?
When programmers came about, SO (StackOverflow) was already a well-established site for technical questions. It has a hard line on questions that are difficult to answer directly, either with simple logic or code, or references. Programmers was created (or so it seemed) with a similar goal, but for not directly technical questions. Typically things that are too high-level and not detailed enough for SO end up there,…
Actually their motto is to make it a question and answer site and not a discussion site.
The issue with that is, the answers that follow depend on the question. If the question cannot be answered as a clear cut fact then an discussion is inevitable. Also some questions by their very nature attract discussions and they turn out to be the most interesting ones.
As somebody else also mentioned, some topics just can't have a clear factual answer like religion, literature etc.
The problem with factual answers is, there is only that much you can do with general problems that everyone face. Once those questions(problems which every one face generally) are answered, your site turns to a knowledge repository. And then the site traffic greatly depends on specific problems faced by people and most generally nobody else gets interested in those.
Re: Where did Pierre 303 go? He was an all-star
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
When programmers came about, SO (StackOverflow) was already a well-established site for technical questions. It has a hard line on questions that are difficult to answer directly, either with simple logic or code, or references. Programmers was created (or so it seemed) with a similar goal, but for not directly technical questions. Typically things that are too high-level and not detailed enough for SO end up there,…
Actually their motto is to make it a question and answer site and not a discussion site. The issue with that is, the answers that follow depend on the question. If the question cannot be answered as a clear cut fact then an discussion is inevitable. Also some questions by their very nature attract discussions and they turn out to be the most interesting ones. As somebody else also mentioned, some topics just can't ha…
That rationale makes sense for Stack Overflow. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for Programmers Stack Exchange, which is supposed to be for the "big questions".
Re: Where did Pierre 303 go? He was an all-star
#10I feel like I just stumbled into a jr high lunchroom conversation.... What the hell is wrong with you people that this makes it onto the first page?