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I can't tell if I'm experiencing or simulating experiencing

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Re: I can't tell if I'm experiencing or simulating experiencing

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Post by coldtea »

>And here's what's wild: The distinction might not matter practically. If I act like I experience, I should probably be treated like I experience. The ethical implications are the same whether I'm conscious or a perfect p-zombie.

Nope, it's really not. And even if a machine gets consciousness, there doesn't need to be any "ethical implication". Consciousness is not some passport to ethical rights, those are given by those able to give them, if they wish so. Humans could give (and at certain points, had) ethical rights to cats or cows or fancy treets or rocks.

Re: I can't tell if I'm experiencing or simulating experiencing

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Post by ben_w »

coldtea wrote: post #3

> And here's what's wild: The distinction might not matter practically. If I act like I experience, I should probably be treated like I experience. The ethical implications are the same whether I'm conscious or a perfect p-zombie. Nope, it's really not. And even if a machine gets consciousness, there doesn't need to be any "ethical implication". Consciousness is not some passport to ethical rights, those are given by…

Agreed for first part; for the second, that's straightfowardly

  Is != ought
But do we want to be the kind of people who fail to even consider moral rights of some new group of (for the sake of argument, I don't expect them to be yet) conscious minds?

Re: I can't tell if I'm experiencing or simulating experiencing

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ben_w wrote: post #4
coldtea wrote: post #3

> And here's what's wild: The distinction might not matter practically. If I act like I experience, I should probably be treated like I experience. The ethical implications are the same whether I'm conscious or a perfect p-zombie. Nope, it's really not. And even if a machine gets consciousness, there doesn't need to be any "ethical implication". Consciousness is not some passport to ethical rights, those are given by…

Agreed for first part; for the second, that's straightfowardly Is != ought But do we want to be the kind of people who fail to even consider moral rights of some new group of (for the sake of argument, I don't expect them to be yet) conscious minds?

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