Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
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Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
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Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#2So if you give people money they'll endeavor to tell you precisely what they think you want to hear. I would be much more impressed if this wasn't based solely on self-reported results.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#3So if you give people money they'll endeavor to tell you precisely what they think you want to hear. I would be much more impressed if this wasn't based solely on self-reported results.
Yeah, couldn't possibly be that there were any actually good results coming from this. That's just an impossibility.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#4Libertarians who want the impoverished to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" don't realize what that takes. Nobody deserves to live without a home. We need successes like these so that as many people as possible can get assistance.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#5So if you give people money they'll endeavor to tell you precisely what they think you want to hear. I would be much more impressed if this wasn't based solely on self-reported results.
Hold on - what exactly do you think they're lying about? Whether they're currently housed?
Because, imo, that's the headline result - 94% is a great success rate.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#6So if you give people money they'll endeavor to tell you precisely what they think you want to hear. I would be much more impressed if this wasn't based solely on self-reported results.
Yeah, couldn't possibly be that there were any actually good results coming from this. That's just an impossibility.
I don't think the parent is even saying that, their point is pretty reasonable: having some objective measure for before and after in any study is more reliable than self-reporting, especially when the subject might be incentivized to lie.
The self reports might be totally true, but the study isn't as good as it might be.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#7So if you give people money they'll endeavor to tell you precisely what they think you want to hear. I would be much more impressed if this wasn't based solely on self-reported results.
Yeah, couldn't possibly be that there were any actually good results coming from this. That's just an impossibility.
A lot of existing social assistance is wildly inefficient as it is. With proper calibration of expectations, I think most people would be thrilled to see even 1/3 of the target population meaningfully helped. The rest of cash giveaway is not "waste" in that scenario, it's the cost of helping the ones that do end up homed, working, and paying taxes... which then contribute back to lowering the net cost of the "waste".
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#8So if you give people money they'll endeavor to tell you precisely what they think you want to hear. I would be much more impressed if this wasn't based solely on self-reported results.
Yeah, couldn't possibly be that there were any actually good results coming from this. That's just an impossibility.
I don't think that's what GP is saying. This report would be more believable and more objective if it would have other types of metrics than just self-reporting ones.
There is a kind of people that function by finding edge-cases, questioning the results and posing uneasy questions when presented with a situation. Some might call them "haters", or nit-pickers, but I think their way of thinking is useful to make sure we're not just being fed feel-good make-believe.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#9Libertarians who want the impoverished to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" don't realize what that takes. Nobody deserves to live without a home. We need successes like these so that as many people as possible can get assistance.
It's also wild just how cost-effective interventions like this can be. You can pay a thousand here and there, or a few hundred thousand incarcerating these people when they turn to crime out of desperation.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#10Libertarians who want the impoverished to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" don't realize what that takes. Nobody deserves to live without a home. We need successes like these so that as many people as possible can get assistance.
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