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Banning Things for Other People Is Easy

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Re: Banning Things for Other People Is Easy

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It feels like there's some glossing-over and circular logic here:

> Yes children show poorer impulse control than adults. But aren’t we all somewhat helpless in the face of the mighty tech companies?

The fact that adults can also have somewhat poor impulse control doesn't mean we should disregard the argument. And when it comes to the power of big tech - isn't that what regulation aims to mitigate?

> Brain development continues up until around 25 or so, and so it’s possible that social media does cause longer-term problems with brain development. Possible. Not proved. It’s possible social media causes long-term cognitive decline in adults. Possible. Not proved.

I don't know the studies well enough to know whether it's proved or not, but intuitively this feels like an obvious enough concern to at least be investigating it. Surely there are some general studies about whether mental health issues in early life are more likely to lead to long-term problems?

Re: Banning Things for Other People Is Easy

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> We ban gambling for children, even though the vast majority of harm caused by gambling comes from adults. Now you could argue that more harm would befall children if we let them gamble, but I honestly don’t think you should.

> By and large, children don’t have money. And even if they do, they don’t have other people who are dependent on it. If children were free to gamble (they sort of already are, what with in-game microtransactions and variable rewards and all the features of gambling, just without the label), I still think that the majority of harm would be borne by adults. Additionally, alongside a child’s gambling ban, we heavily regulate the gambling industry for adults. Children’s social media bans don’t appear to come with similar adult regulatory scrutiny.

Kind of lost me here. I think we should ban gambling for children, even if they don't have money or people dependent on them. Children will steal their parents money to gamble or buy Roblox points.

Yeah, we have regulations on adult gambling. I wouldn't mind more regulations on adult social media use either.

Re: Banning Things for Other People Is Easy

#7

It would be a fun exercise to replace social media with alcohol in this article so that it argues we shouldn't ban children from drinking because drinking is bad for adults too.

Has anyone even studied the effect of forcing ten year olds to drink a daily litre of vodka?

Re: Banning Things for Other People Is Easy

#8
>It’s like studying the social impact of vaping without considering the replacement activity (smoking).

That's not how this works. If you ban vaping, not everyone - and not necessarily most people who vape - would be smoking instead.

"X isn't as bad as Y" is not a good argument in favor of X. They can both be bad.

Re: Banning Things for Other People Is Easy

#9
It seems like the things we ban for children are things that we might ban for everybody, but can get away with for children. Very few of those things are conclusively proven to be harmful -- perhaps firearms, motor vehicles, and smoking, and even those things put up a pretty good fight to stay alive as long as they did.

Smoking is an interesting case. Vanishingly few people who smoke learned to do so as adults. Virtually all started as kids. Likewise, virtually all marketing of smoking was directed towards kids. Banning smoking among kids had the side of effect of reducing it in adults without the impossibility of an overall ban.

Social media is an interesting example. Of course it influences behavior. That's its purpose. Otherwise all of the advertising revenue poured into the social media industry would be wasted. The most successful social media businesses I'm aware of all started being marketed primarily to young people.

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