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Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

They’ll end up selling it to a German automaker who isn’t anti union. Tesla sales in Europe are mostly over and unlikely to recover, for obvious reasons. Musk did the Germans a favor, built a whole factory for them to buy at distressed pricing.

> for obvious reasons

I will never understand two things:

1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right.

2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Uber, Lyft, and traditional taxi services combined in order to get anywhere NEAR justifying it.

What really saddens me is the side effects of Tesla beginning to fail. EVs are so synonymous with "Tesla" that I would sometimes see people criticize EVs in general when they mean to criticize just Tesla. And with Tesla sales falling, some people are interpreting that to mean "Nobody wants to buy an EV" rather than "Nobody wants to buy a Tesla" and other car makes are slowing down or cancelling EV developments.

I'm bummed that Chevy has effectively cancelled the Corvette EV.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Post by defrost »

johndoe0815 wrote: post #3

Kick them out along with Twitter.

You may fare better with a well reasoned, thougtful comment as to why Germany should be rid of both Tesla and Ex-Twitter rather than a short opinion followed by faux-outrage at its reception.

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #6
toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

They’ll end up selling it to a German automaker who isn’t anti union. Tesla sales in Europe are mostly over and unlikely to recover, for obvious reasons. Musk did the Germans a favor, built a whole factory for them to buy at distressed pricing.

> for obvious reasons I will never understand two things: 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. 2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Ube…

Ego and lack of emotional intelligence is a hell of a thing. Global electrification continues without Tesla (~20% of global auto sales are EVs, ~50%+ in China, as of this comment), a casualty of hubris.

https://ourworldindata.org/electric-car-sales

https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/the-ev-leapfrog-how...

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #6
toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

They’ll end up selling it to a German automaker who isn’t anti union. Tesla sales in Europe are mostly over and unlikely to recover, for obvious reasons. Musk did the Germans a favor, built a whole factory for them to buy at distressed pricing.

> for obvious reasons I will never understand two things: 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. 2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Ube…

1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right.

I believe a couple of things happened over the last few years that basically broke him. One factor may have been his daughter coming out as trans, and I have a feeling that another factor was a realization that his ambition to start a Mars colony wasn't going to be possible in his lifetime. Being forced to give up a major life goal hurts deeply no matter how much money or influence you have.

He started engaging in irrational, erratic behavior circa 2019-2020, such as getting into the pissing match with Unsworth, offering and then being being forced to overpay for Twitter, and pivoting towards full-blown Trumpism and neo-Nazi-adjacent politics. Before then he was just known as a hard-driving Bill Gates-style nerd CEO. By now, I don't think he cares about any role except that of cult leader.

2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive.

See above. It's not a car company. It's a robot company^W^WAI company^W^Wenergy company^W^Wtaxi company^W^W personality cult.

Re: Are Tesla Gigafactory Berlin's days numbered?

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Post by diamond559 »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #6
toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

They’ll end up selling it to a German automaker who isn’t anti union. Tesla sales in Europe are mostly over and unlikely to recover, for obvious reasons. Musk did the Germans a favor, built a whole factory for them to buy at distressed pricing.

> for obvious reasons I will never understand two things: 1. Why Musk made such a hard-right turn politically, alienating most of his customers. People on the left were always far more likely to buy an EV than those on the right. 2. Why traders continue to buy Tesla stock even as sales nose-dive. Because of the promise of Robotaxis? Tesla's P/E is so high that the Tesla Robotaxi would have to sell more rides than Ube…

His customers aren't you or me buying cars anymore, it's fascists and foreign interests that are pumping his stock up past fundamentals. Oh and the deluded cultists that think handing him their life savings will literally bring world peace and end poverty.
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