A Rupture over Israel Is Tearing MAGA Apart

Ah, NYT... it's years since I read anything in legacy MSM but it all came back now... the wall of text taking you all over the place from Truman to Candance Owen to Soviet Union, offering an unexplained explanation akin to 'religious fashions changed' and a one sentence euphemistic mention of the real issue buried towards the end: "images from Gaza" as in the ongoing genocide against Palestinians

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Post by soldthat » Tue, Jan 06, 2026, 10:28 AM UTC

elbci wrote: post #4

Ah, NYT... it's years since I read anything in legacy MSM but it all came back now... the wall of text taking you all over the place from Truman to Candance Owen to Soviet Union, offering an unexplained explanation akin to 'religious fashions changed' and a one sentence euphemistic mention of the real issue buried towards the end: "images from Gaza" as in the ongoing genocide against Palestinians

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Post by defrost » Tue, Jan 06, 2026, 10:34 AM UTC

soldthat wrote: post #5

elbci wrote: post #4

Ah, NYT... it's years since I read anything in legacy MSM but it all came back now... the wall of text taking you all over the place from Truman to Candance Owen to Soviet Union, offering an unexplained explanation akin to 'religious fashions changed' and a one sentence euphemistic mention of the real issue buried towards the end: "images from Gaza" as in the ongoing genocide against Palestinians

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They're not a one to one isomorphic equivalence, sure.

That said, war and genocide can absolutely overlap to any degree in the great Venn diagram of possibilities.

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Post by soldthat » Tue, Jan 06, 2026, 11:44 AM UTC

defrost wrote: post #6

soldthat wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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They're not a one to one isomorphic equivalence, sure. That said, war and genocide can absolutely overlap to any degree in the great Venn diagram of possibilities.

Sure, but the latest trend of accusing everyone you don’t like of genocide is diluting the meaning to cover anything “they” do.

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Post by defrost » Tue, Jan 06, 2026, 11:57 AM UTC

soldthat wrote: post #7

defrost wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not a one to one isomorphic equivalence, sure. That said, war and genocide can absolutely overlap to any degree in the great Venn diagram of possibilities.

Sure, but the latest trend of accusing everyone you don’t like of genocide is diluting the meaning to cover anything “they” do.

> Sure, but the latest trend of accusing everyone you don’t like of genocide

Personally I only pay attention to accusations levelled against those killling significant numbers of non combatants and journalists, and made by a reasonable number of international bodies.

It adds further weight when, say, you have experts on the Holocaust, those considered a leading authority on genocide, chime in and say that something else is also a genocide.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omer_Bartov

That said, returning to my comment in response to yours - that was motivated by the ankle deep shallowness of a green account quip "War isn’t genocide"

What exactly is that supposed to mean? That the war waged by the post Weimar Republic was not or did not include any genocide?

As comments go, that seems ... vapid.

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Post by elbci » Tue, Jan 06, 2026, 1:21 PM UTC

soldthat wrote: post #5

elbci wrote: post #4

Ah, NYT... it's years since I read anything in legacy MSM but it all came back now... the wall of text taking you all over the place from Truman to Candance Owen to Soviet Union, offering an unexplained explanation akin to 'religious fashions changed' and a one sentence euphemistic mention of the real issue buried towards the end: "images from Gaza" as in the ongoing genocide against Palestinians

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indeed war is when 2 armies fight each other while genocide is when unarmed civilians, women and children are murdered en masse. if residents of a ghetto say in Warsaw have access to kinetic projectiles like stones and empty bottles doesn't make them an army

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Post by soldthat » Tue, Jan 06, 2026, 2:28 PM UTC

defrost wrote: post #8

soldthat wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but the latest trend of accusing everyone you don’t like of genocide is diluting the meaning to cover anything “they” do.

> Sure, but the latest trend of accusing everyone you don’t like of genocide Personally I only pay attention to accusations levelled against those killling significant numbers of non combatants and journalists, and made by a reasonable number of international bodies. It adds further weight when, say, you have experts on the Holocaust, those considered a leading authority on genocide, chime in and say that something e…

By the criteria used against Israel every war would be a genocide.

Nazi Germany was at war while also carrying out a genocide at the same time. But by the definitions used against Israel, every country that fought in WWII was committing genocide.