Serious = Suspicious, Shooting with Phone vs. Shooting with Camera
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#2I find it to be very similar to nobody caring about constant surveillance ala Fusion Centers and Flock, but if you did your own surveillance on the corner you are a dick bag.
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#3He's right and its one of those things you dont notice until its pointed out but once its pointed out you notice it everywhere.
I think the feeling of intrusiveness is the same for both devices but the difference is the ease of confrontation. Its much easier to confront someone with a camera because the intention to shoot a photo or to capture a moment is so clear and honest. Whereas someone with a phone can minimize the intent by saying they're only snapping a quick insignificant photo for any millions of reasons and we have to accept that or look unreasonable.
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#4His point is well taken but I find the reverse helpful when you're shooting in some sort of official capacity: subjects are willing to put up with a lot more fuss and bother when staring down the barrel of a girthy lens.
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#5I can't say I've had this experience at all with my camera. I certainly feel more self conscious shooting publicly with my camera, but I've never had anyone look at me funny and certainly haven't had anyone approach me or get mad at me.
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#6He's right and its one of those things you dont notice until its pointed out but once its pointed out you notice it everywhere. I think the feeling of intrusiveness is the same for both devices but the difference is the ease of confrontation. Its much easier to confront someone with a camera because the intention to shoot a photo or to capture a moment is so clear and honest. Whereas someone with a phone can minimize…
I agree, taking photos of strangers with a mobile phone is sometimes considered hentai.
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#7I can't say I've had this experience at all with my camera. I certainly feel more self conscious shooting publicly with my camera, but I've never had anyone look at me funny and certainly haven't had anyone approach me or get mad at me.
You're lucky. I've had the experience too many times. It has gotten bad enough that I've given up photography. I am too averse to confrontation to handle it (and the PTSD-like flashbacks I get from it) anymore.
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#8> The psychology here is as fascinating as it is absurd.
> Both devices capture identical images.
This is so obviously false. The photos definitely don't look identical. If you're carrying a DSLR, it's a darn good bet you believe it'd take better photos than your phone. And someone who does so is going through the trouble of carrying one is more likely to spread the photo publicly than someone who's using their phone. Hence the stronger reaction.
It's always sad to see when people tarnish a good point with bad arguments. Doubly so when you're accusing other people of acting irrationally, based on clearly false premises. It hurts the cause you're trying to advance rather than helping it.
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#9I can't say I've had this experience at all with my camera. I certainly feel more self conscious shooting publicly with my camera, but I've never had anyone look at me funny and certainly haven't had anyone approach me or get mad at me.
You're lucky. I've had the experience too many times. It has gotten bad enough that I've given up photography. I am too averse to confrontation to handle it (and the PTSD-like flashbacks I get from it) anymore.
Ugh, so sorry to hear that. But I've had the same.
I recently got a grip for my phone (TELESIN Master Grip). It gives me a physical shutter button, as well as a much better ergonomic hold on the phone, and a tripod thread to attach my old reliable wrist strap. That, plus Lightroom Mobile configured for high-quality yet editable shots (eg, DNG), allowed me to build what felt like 80% of a proper camera — and yet with far, far less public obviousness.
I won't give up my rangefinder, but now I feel I have two choices: phone+grip for places where I don't feel comfortable with the camera, and then the camera everywhere else.
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#10I've on two occasions been told by government goons of some kind that "if you just use your phone we won't get called to monitor your photoshoot" while filling in for my girlfriends photographer.
We were just taking fashion photos on the street in front of our building, turns our neighbours across the street at the MI5 were not super excited about this though.