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Donald Trump says US is 'going to run' Venezuela after overnight strikes

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Re: Donald Trump says US is 'going to run' Venezuela after overnight strikes

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Post by ironyman »

DustinEchoes wrote: post #2

You know, if I was in Taiwan, I would be very worried right now.

Completely different matter. Military concerns aside, the main problem for China there is they know they're absolutely going get killed diplomatically and economically in the aftermath. The leadership knows well what would happen or else they would've done it long ago.

Re: Donald Trump says US is 'going to run' Venezuela after overnight strikes

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Post by gizmo686 »

ironyman wrote: post #4
DustinEchoes wrote: post #2

You know, if I was in Taiwan, I would be very worried right now.

Completely different matter. Military concerns aside, the main problem for China there is they know they're absolutely going get killed diplomatically and economically in the aftermath. The leadership knows well what would happen or else they would've done it long ago.

That is the reasoning that is most at risk here. China's tactical ability to succeed in Taiwan is not really related to America's ability to succeed in Venezuela.

However, assuming the US gets away with this diplomatically, this does set a real precedent that countries can get away with this diplomatically; which will make it harder to organize diplomatic and economic responses to China.

Re: Donald Trump says US is 'going to run' Venezuela after overnight strikes

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Post by nix-zarathustra »

gizmo686 wrote: post #5
ironyman wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely different matter. Military concerns aside, the main problem for China there is they know they're absolutely going get killed diplomatically and economically in the aftermath. The leadership knows well what would happen or else they would've done it long ago.

That is the reasoning that is most at risk here. China's tactical ability to succeed in Taiwan is not really related to America's ability to succeed in Venezuela. However, assuming the US gets away with this diplomatically, this does set a real precedent that countries can get away with this diplomatically; which will make it harder to organize diplomatic and economic responses to China.

I disagree. This doesn't really change anything. It's not like China needed justification to invade Taiwan, they already do, nor it is not like China or Russia follows the rules based order, see South China Sea or Ukraine. From their perspective, the rules based order was created by the US to attack them, and the West hypocritically apply the rules where they see fit.

Ultimately, the international rules based order was mostly created to protect smaller and weaker powers that be and to constrain the strong. Since nobody can enforce international law, the strong do what they like anyway.

Re: Donald Trump says US is 'going to run' Venezuela after overnight strikes

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Post by jacquesm »

gizmo686 wrote: post #5
ironyman wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely different matter. Military concerns aside, the main problem for China there is they know they're absolutely going get killed diplomatically and economically in the aftermath. The leadership knows well what would happen or else they would've done it long ago.

That is the reasoning that is most at risk here. China's tactical ability to succeed in Taiwan is not really related to America's ability to succeed in Venezuela. However, assuming the US gets away with this diplomatically, this does set a real precedent that countries can get away with this diplomatically; which will make it harder to organize diplomatic and economic responses to China.

Taiwan is definitely not Venezuela in the larger scheme of things.
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