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Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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From the article:

> They can also increase suicidal ideation.

A very close family member committed suicide, after Prozac dosage adjustments made his brain chemistry go haywire.

This happened 30 years ago, and it has been known to us that Prozac can cause this, since then.

The Guardians headline is way, way understating the real situation here.

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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From the article: > They can also increase suicidal ideation. A very close family member committed suicide, after Prozac dosage adjustments made his brain chemistry go haywire. This happened 30 years ago, and it has been known to us that Prozac can cause this, since then. The Guardians headline is way, way understating the real situation here.

The problem with suicidal depression is that if someone has created the thought pattern that death is best, then removing the symptoms of depression (lethargy, lack of energy, no willpower) now gives the person the ability to actually follow through with the act.

Medications almost always target symptoms and never address root causes.

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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From the article: > They can also increase suicidal ideation. A very close family member committed suicide, after Prozac dosage adjustments made his brain chemistry go haywire. This happened 30 years ago, and it has been known to us that Prozac can cause this, since then. The Guardians headline is way, way understating the real situation here.

The problem with suicidal depression is that if someone has created the thought pattern that death is best, then removing the symptoms of depression (lethargy, lack of energy, no willpower) now gives the person the ability to actually follow through with the act. Medications almost always target symptoms and never address root causes.

Yes, this is what happens.

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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> "But a new review of trial data by academics in Austria and the UK concluded that..."

> "Mark Horowitz, an associate professor of psychiatry at Adelaide University and a co-author of the study,"

Austria - cold, has mountains, but not Adelaide University

Australia - hot, has kangaroos, and Adelaide University

Is the Grauniad returning to form?

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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> "But a new review of trial data by academics in Austria and the UK concluded that..." > "Mark Horowitz, an associate professor of psychiatry at Adelaide University and a co-author of the study," Austria - cold, has mountains, but not Adelaide University Australia - hot, has kangaroos, and Adelaide University Is the Grauniad returning to form?

Nature is healing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian#References_in_pop...

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with suicidal depression is that if someone has created the thought pattern that death is best, then removing the symptoms of depression (lethargy, lack of energy, no willpower) now gives the person the ability to actually follow through with the act. Medications almost always target symptoms and never address root causes.

Yes, this is what happens.

No it's not.

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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From the article: > They can also increase suicidal ideation. A very close family member committed suicide, after Prozac dosage adjustments made his brain chemistry go haywire. This happened 30 years ago, and it has been known to us that Prozac can cause this, since then. The Guardians headline is way, way understating the real situation here.

The problem with suicidal depression is that if someone has created the thought pattern that death is best, then removing the symptoms of depression (lethargy, lack of energy, no willpower) now gives the person the ability to actually follow through with the act. Medications almost always target symptoms and never address root causes.

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Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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From the article: > They can also increase suicidal ideation. A very close family member committed suicide, after Prozac dosage adjustments made his brain chemistry go haywire. This happened 30 years ago, and it has been known to us that Prozac can cause this, since then. The Guardians headline is way, way understating the real situation here.

Suicidal ideation is a risk for many CNS drugs, and not unique to Prozac as far as I know. But yes this is a major risk factor that needs to be taken in account before such kind of treatments.

Re: Prozac 'no better than placebo' for treating children with depression, experts

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From the article: > They can also increase suicidal ideation. A very close family member committed suicide, after Prozac dosage adjustments made his brain chemistry go haywire. This happened 30 years ago, and it has been known to us that Prozac can cause this, since then. The Guardians headline is way, way understating the real situation here.

The problem with suicidal depression is that if someone has created the thought pattern that death is best, then removing the symptoms of depression (lethargy, lack of energy, no willpower) now gives the person the ability to actually follow through with the act. Medications almost always target symptoms and never address root causes.

Yup. Depression medication can significantly help the emotional symptoms, but that takes longer to be effective.

I’m bipolar and a lot of the medication I take does not become fully effective for months. For me, my medication slowly became more effective over years as my brain no longer had to compensate for hardware problems.

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