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California revokes 17,000 commercial driver's licenses for immigrants

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Re: California revokes 17,000 commercial driver's licenses for immigrants

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> after discovering the expiration dates went past when the drivers were legally allowed to be in the U.S

Oopsie. Honest mistake(s) x17,000

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I-9 verification has been law since .... November 1986

CDL is for work and requires i9 verification.

This is not new. Plenty of time to do it right...

Re: California revokes 17,000 commercial driver's licenses for immigrants

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post #2

> after discovering the expiration dates went past when the drivers were legally allowed to be in the U.S Oopsie. Honest mistake(s) x17,000 . I-9 verification has been law since .... November 1986 CDL is for work and requires i9 verification. This is not new. Plenty of time to do it right...

Chastising people for fixing their own mistakes is not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed.

Re: California revokes 17,000 commercial driver's licenses for immigrants

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post #2

> after discovering the expiration dates went past when the drivers were legally allowed to be in the U.S Oopsie. Honest mistake(s) x17,000 . I-9 verification has been law since .... November 1986 CDL is for work and requires i9 verification. This is not new. Plenty of time to do it right...

Chastising people for fixing their own mistakes is not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed.

Not recognizing that the same mistake made 17,000 times “by accident” over a few years is likely not accidental is also not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed

Every one of those required an I-9 check. This means somebody changed the procedure to not require a federally mandated check. Not a small oopsie by one person - a deliberate action from top.

Re: California revokes 17,000 commercial driver's licenses for immigrants

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chastising people for fixing their own mistakes is not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed.

Not recognizing that the same mistake made 17,000 times “by accident” over a few years is likely not accidental is also not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed Every one of those required an I-9 check. This means somebody changed the procedure to not require a federally mandated check. Not a small oopsie by one person - a deliberate action from top.

I would not assume pure malice in this case. The whole trifecta between the fed, the state and the state DMV is just complete spaghetti and need serious reform. The idea of state level drivers' licenses is really short sighted

Re: California revokes 17,000 commercial driver's licenses for immigrants

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chastising people for fixing their own mistakes is not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed.

Not recognizing that the same mistake made 17,000 times “by accident” over a few years is likely not accidental is also not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed Every one of those required an I-9 check. This means somebody changed the procedure to not require a federally mandated check. Not a small oopsie by one person - a deliberate action from top.

The issue isn't that they were issuing CDLs to people who didn't qualify but that their work visa and license were supposed to expire around the same time so they couldn't overstay their visa and keep their job.

Or, I'm guessing this was the intent of the law they're now enforcing.

Re: California revokes 17,000 commercial driver's licenses for immigrants

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post #6
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not recognizing that the same mistake made 17,000 times “by accident” over a few years is likely not accidental is also not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed Every one of those required an I-9 check. This means somebody changed the procedure to not require a federally mandated check. Not a small oopsie by one person - a deliberate action from top.

I would not assume pure malice in this case. The whole trifecta between the fed, the state and the state DMV is just complete spaghetti and need serious reform. The idea of state level drivers' licenses is really short sighted

I-9 verification has been law since .... November 1986

CDL is for work and requires i9 verification.

This is not new

Re: California revokes 17,000 commercial driver's licenses for immigrants

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post #2

> after discovering the expiration dates went past when the drivers were legally allowed to be in the U.S Oopsie. Honest mistake(s) x17,000 . I-9 verification has been law since .... November 1986 CDL is for work and requires i9 verification. This is not new. Plenty of time to do it right...

Chastising people for fixing their own mistakes is not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed.

This line of reasoning is genuinely stupid, it deserves to be derided and mocked.

You can draw a straight line between these "mistakes" and these people violating traffic laws in such a way that they kill other motorists abiding by all traffic laws.

By your reasoning, I can burn your house down and kill your family, and it's absolved by apologizing.

What you don't understand is suicidal empathy eventually corrects itself with extremely violent vigilantism. And when (not if) that happens, you'll be begging for the state to come in to restore order, but they will be unable to. The state has already ceded legitimacy by not performing their duties, and what you're left with are violent gangs and warlords.

Dark triad sociopaths view this as a way to cease power. What they miss is real power comes from groups of armed individuals, not from a ballot box.

Re: California revokes 17,000 commercial driver's licenses for immigrants

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chastising people for fixing their own mistakes is not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed.

Not recognizing that the same mistake made 17,000 times “by accident” over a few years is likely not accidental is also not a great strategy for getting mistakes fixed Every one of those required an I-9 check. This means somebody changed the procedure to not require a federally mandated check. Not a small oopsie by one person - a deliberate action from top.

The word you are looking for is "state capture".
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