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Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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To be honest. I think this is one of the strengths of autonomous cars.

With humans when they do this at max we can punish that individual. To increase population wide compliance we can do a safety awareness campaign, ramp up enforcement, ramp up the fines. But all of these cost a lot of money to do, take a while to have an effect, need to be repeated/kept up, and only help statistically.

With a robot driver we can develop a fix and roll it out on all of them. Problem solved. They were doing the wrong thing, now they are doing the right thing. If we add a regression test we can even make sure that the problem won't be reintroduced in the future. Try to do that with human drivers.

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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I'm not complaining, but like..maybe also do this for the vast majority of human drivers who also flout these rules.

I'm going to call bullshit on this. Most human drivers do not flout these rules.

No kidding. Try doing this once or twice and the driver will record your information and you’ll get a nice visit from the police.

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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post #4

To be honest. I think this is one of the strengths of autonomous cars. With humans when they do this at max we can punish that individual. To increase population wide compliance we can do a safety awareness campaign, ramp up enforcement, ramp up the fines. But all of these cost a lot of money to do, take a while to have an effect, need to be repeated/kept up, and only help statistically. With a robot driver we can de…

… assuming the GiantCorp running the robotaxis cares about complying with the law, and doesn’t just pay a fine that means nothing to them.

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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I'm not complaining, but like..maybe also do this for the vast majority of human drivers who also flout these rules.

Human drivers can be seen and stopped by police and given an appropriate punishment. Self-driving cars have nobody to take accountability like that so you need to go back to the source.

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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I'm not complaining, but like..maybe also do this for the vast majority of human drivers who also flout these rules.

I'm going to call bullshit on this. Most human drivers do not flout these rules.

I think maybe they meant that the majority of vehicles that flout the rules are human-driven.

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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I'm not complaining, but like..maybe also do this for the vast majority of human drivers who also flout these rules.

Human drivers can be seen and stopped by police and given an appropriate punishment. Self-driving cars have nobody to take accountability like that so you need to go back to the source.

Yeah but in many cases they're not, traffic enforcement went way down during Covid and it's still down.

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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I’m also curious about school zones. The one near my house has a sign, “School” “Speed Limit 35” “7:00AM to 4:00PM School Days”

Now, how does a robotaxi comply with that? Does it go to the district website and look up the current school year calendar? Or does it work like a human, and simply observe the patterns of the school traffic, and assume the general school calendar?

I suspect it continues in Mad Max mode.

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