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What's Up with FUTO?

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Re: What's Up with FUTO?

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FUTO sent me money for a production server with no strings attached. Seem to be nice people, if possibly a bit inexperienced with charity work. Eron came off as very much the archetype of a Gen-X tech bro what little I spoke with him.

Whether a donor's politics are red or blue, their dollar bills are still green. Turning money down, especially when no strings are attached, is just self sabotage.

Dunno if that puts me on Drew's Pepe Silvia wall but whatever.

Re: What's Up with FUTO?

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Drew's moral grandstanding is at odds with HN culture, so of course it's never going to be well received here. And to a point, HN is right to reject it because it's pointless: fascism is obviously coming and nothing can stop it.

Nothing can stop it, not because those evil men are too powerful, they're clowns. Nothing can stop it because, as Orwell says, modern man is inadequate for modern times.

> Modern man is rather like a bisected wasp which goes on sucking jam and pretends that the loss of its abdomen does not matter

Re: What's Up with FUTO?

#7

FUTO sent me money for a production server with no strings attached. Seem to be nice people, if possibly a bit inexperienced with charity work. Eron came off as very much the archetype of a Gen-X tech bro what little I spoke with him. Whether a donor's politics are red or blue, their dollar bills are still green. Turning money down, especially when no strings are attached, is just self sabotage. Dunno if that puts me…

> Whether a donor's politics are red or blue, their dollar bills are still green.

So morality doesn't factor into it for you? You'd take anyone's money, regardless of how dirty the source?

Where's the line for you? The Irish Republican Army? Hamas?

> Turning money down, especially when no strings are attached, is just self sabotage.

Reputation is the most valuable currency you have, but it's easy to get it dirty and very hard to clean it up again.

Re: What's Up with FUTO?

#8

FUTO sent me money for a production server with no strings attached. Seem to be nice people, if possibly a bit inexperienced with charity work. Eron came off as very much the archetype of a Gen-X tech bro what little I spoke with him. Whether a donor's politics are red or blue, their dollar bills are still green. Turning money down, especially when no strings are attached, is just self sabotage. Dunno if that puts me…

> Whether a donor's politics are red or blue, their dollar bills are still green. So morality doesn't factor into it for you? You'd take anyone's money, regardless of how dirty the source? Where's the line for you? The Irish Republican Army? Hamas? > Turning money down, especially when no strings are attached, is just self sabotage. Reputation is the most valuable currency you have, but it's easy to get it dirty and…

It's ultimately actions that have moral value, and sponsoring projects that do good is a good thing regardless if it's Hannibal Lecter or Mother Theresa that does it. It's a very strange idea that we should try to prevent bad people from doing good deeds. If anything we should encourage and applaud such breaks in character.

What Eron does is ultimately a form of wealth redistribution. Money is flowing from the pockets of a rich guy into the pockets of open source developers who are not independently wealthy. Unless wealth redistribution is only a good thing when money is taken by force, and not given willingly? That doesn't ring true.

Reputation in this game hinges on your ability to get things done. Money is above all what enables that. There is nothing noble or reputable about turning down funding, going broke, and getting nothing of consequence done.

Re: What's Up with FUTO?

#9
I only know their YouTube app grayjay but I don't really like it because puts all this futo stuff in my video feed. A video player should get out of the way.

I prefer smarttubenext (tv) and revanced.

Re: What's Up with FUTO?

#10
This reminds me of when Rossman was accused of transphobia and other prejudices because he created a KF account solely to respond to things said about him in his own dedicated thread on that site, without posting anywhere else. Pure guilt-by-association tactics.

DeVault apparently considers anything short of complete deplatforming (even spirited debate) as a form of sympathizing, and probably would regard even Robin Hanson (who debated Yarvin) as a kind of cryptofascist--which is funny, since the only effective push-back Yarvin ever gets is from conservatives, who (besides preaching to the same choir), still preferring debate to deplatforming, haven't suffered the atrophy of their rhetorical muscles that afflicts progressives[1]. Meanwhile the man hysterically paranoid about creeping fascism and fascist sympathizing is himself a well-documented lolicon addict[2].

It is cute, however, that he thinks it's still 2015 and not 2025, and that he can write pro-censorship, pearl-clutchy stuff like this:

> and Odysee, the latter a platform controversial for its role in spreading hate speech and misinformation.

and still be taken seriously.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcSil8NeQq8

[2] https://dmpwn.info/

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