I’ll Give MongoDB Another Try In Ten Years
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I’ll Give MongoDB Another Try In Ten Years
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#2Not reading the documentation (or hell, the red "note" text under each 32 bit download link at http://www.mongodb.org/downloads) for basic limitations will bite you in the ass in 2022 just as easily as it will in 2012.
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#3Just read the documentation and learn the APIs, this is what happens when you just copy and paste code from a tutorial.
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#4Not reading the documentation (or hell, the red "note" text under each 32 bit download link at http://www.mongodb.org/downloads ) for basic limitations will bite you in the ass in 2022 just as easily as it will in 2012.
Except that it was hidden deeply in the documentation. It's like making a car that has the gas and brake pedals switched, and then blaming accidents on people not reading section 5 of the owner's manual.
I'm hardly an inexperienced programmer. I've used Cassandra, SimpleDB, Voldemort, etc. I wrote part of the Inktomi Search Engine in the 90s, and plenty of (what today would be called) NoSQL stores over the years.
A default that's so counterintuitive for a database should be featured prominently with a huge neon sign. It wasn't in the Ruby tutorial, or in any of the many documents I read. It's buried deep in the Mongo website, and the first Google match about the 32-bit limitation is a blog post from 2009.
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#5Just read the documentation and learn the APIs, this is what happens when you just copy and paste code from a tutorial.
This type of attitude is not constructive. Of course I read the documentation. Much more than "copy and paste from the tutorial." I looked at tons of code samples as needed, read blog posts, etc. The limitation wasn't obvious at all.
This reminds me of the attitude that I had to correct in developers that worked for me:
- There is a huge difference between "it works" and "it does what the user expects in a friendly way."
Steve Jobs said that if you need to read a user manual (particularly to do the most vanilla usage of a product), the problem is the product. Not you.
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#6I used MongoDB one afternoon, and guess what! It doesn't have table-locking writes?! :)
In all seriousness, I built a 10 machine Mongo cluster, talked with a 10gen consultant a full day, went to Mongo meetup, and ran all sorts of benchmarks before ever using it in production. I still don't feel like I have the expertise to write a snarky blog post about it.
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#7I used MongoDB one afternoon, and guess what! It doesn't have table-locking writes?! :) In all seriousness, I built a 10 machine Mongo cluster, talked with a 10gen consultant a full day, went to Mongo meetup, and ran all sorts of benchmarks before ever using it in production. I still don't feel like I have the expertise to write a snarky blog post about it.
> It doesn't have table-locking writes?! :)
Not really following the snark there. Are you trying to compare MongoDB to MySQL's MyISAM storage engine? Like there aren't numerous other extremely valid RDBMS solutions out there, which don't do table locks during a write? (MySQL InnoDB, Percona, Maria, Aria, Postgresql, Firebird, etc...)
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#8I stopped reading at "WTF zomg LOL zombie sandwiches!". Just another script kiddie who can't read documentation and blames his tools instead.
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#9Not reading the documentation (or hell, the red "note" text under each 32 bit download link at http://www.mongodb.org/downloads ) for basic limitations will bite you in the ass in 2022 just as easily as it will in 2012.
Except that it was hidden deeply in the documentation. It's like making a car that has the gas and brake pedals switched, and then blaming accidents on people not reading section 5 of the owner's manual. I'm hardly an inexperienced programmer. I've used Cassandra, SimpleDB, Voldemort, etc. I wrote part of the Inktomi Search Engine in the 90s, and plenty of (what today would be called) NoSQL stores over the years. A d…
It's on the download page.
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#10The world is moving towards 64 bit. 9 out of 10 machines I lay hands on run 64 bit. Just move on and stop complaining.