Western executives who visit China are coming back terrified
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Western executives who visit China are coming back terrified
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#2Robotics has catapulted Beijing into a dominant position in many industries, especially ones involving renewable energy. Meanwhile in the US we are shutting down renewable energy projects (presumably to please middle-east benefactors), and Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick wants to bring jobs to the US that involve putting screws into phones.
Re: Western executives who visit China are coming back terrified
#3Maybe China's approaching demographic crisis won't be such a big deal after all.
Re: Western executives who visit China are coming back terrified
#4Robotics has catapulted Beijing into a dominant position in many industries, especially ones involving renewable energy. Meanwhile in the US we are shutting down renewable energy projects (presumably to please middle-east benefactors), and Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick wants to bring jobs to the US that involve putting screws into phones.
Beijing has factories for things like solar panels, but is still creating coal plants at a rate higher than most other countries.
Many in the US don't have the stomach to achieve what is required (which what's happening in China right now):
1. Slave labor 2. No labor unions 3. Working many more hours for less pay (many employees sleep where they work) 4. Not caring about intellectual property, including your own work that might get sucked up into AI models 5. No workplace regulations
This doesn't even include the fact that China has a massive surveillance network keeping everything in order.
We have 1/100 of this in the US and people already act like they are persecuted prisoners.
Re: Western executives who visit China are coming back terrified
#5Maybe China's approaching demographic crisis won't be such a big deal after all.
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Re: Western executives who visit China are coming back terrified
#6Robotics has catapulted Beijing into a dominant position in many industries, especially ones involving renewable energy. Meanwhile in the US we are shutting down renewable energy projects (presumably to please middle-east benefactors), and Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick wants to bring jobs to the US that involve putting screws into phones.
Beijing has factories for things like solar panels, but is still creating coal plants at a rate higher than most other countries. Many in the US don't have the stomach to achieve what is required (which what's happening in China right now): 1. Slave labor 2. No labor unions 3. Working many more hours for less pay (many employees sleep where they work) 4. Not caring about intellectual property, including your own work…
China does not use slave labour in most of the industries which are deploying robots. Have a look at this list:
https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/china-83...
yes companies like Samsung and Apple are listed. No, it's not the predominant industry sector.
I don't want to descend into whataboutery, but it's entirely legal to use prisoners for slave labour in the US, and is routinely discussed in US legal reddit and the like: It's normalised in the states which depend on this kind of labour to get some things like road construction/maintenance done. Historically it was field work as well. I am unsure if this continues.
You would not at this point say the VC funded AI push in the west had very much concern for IPR. This is why IPR holders are in court. And yes, courts do exist in China, even if you stand very little chance of a just outcome as a foreigner.
You're not wrong about the surveillance.
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#7I really hate modern headline writing. I think "Western executives confirm China's massive investment in advanced robotics" would have done everyone a better job.
The torygraph should be ashamed of itself.
Re: Western executives who visit China are coming back terrified
#8I really hate modern headline writing. I think "Western executives confirm China's massive investment in advanced robotics" would have done everyone a better job. The torygraph should be ashamed of itself.
-- “It’s the most humbling thing I’ve ever seen,” said Ford’s chief executive about his recent trip to China.
Re: Western executives who visit China are coming back terrified
#9I really hate modern headline writing. I think "Western executives confirm China's massive investment in advanced robotics" would have done everyone a better job. The torygraph should be ashamed of itself.
-- “It’s the most humbling thing I’ve ever seen,” said Ford’s chief executive about his recent trip to China.
UAW flexes and asks what rate of pay the robot operator will get, agreeing to displace the line workers.
I've been around the Mazda plant in Hiroshima, and the man-machine work pattern there was interesting. Taking static site robotics and making it mobile is a pretty natural progression. Maybe has more complexities but also has less embedded capital in the ground, to construct the flow process around the static robot. So as a step along the path for automation, bizarre though I think it is, having autonomous robots might be short-term to a path of re-working the process to suit static, less expensive robots.
Re: Western executives who visit China are coming back terrified
#10Robotics has catapulted Beijing into a dominant position in many industries, especially ones involving renewable energy. Meanwhile in the US we are shutting down renewable energy projects (presumably to please middle-east benefactors), and Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick wants to bring jobs to the US that involve putting screws into phones.
> Robotics has catapulted Beijing into a dominant position in many industries
It is really weird that this could have been Japan in the 90s, but the rise of cheap labor in China put a stop to Japan's dominance and they somehow didn't get back into it when Chinese labor became more expensive.
Maybe its just bad luck that the tech in the 90s wasn't compelling enough while it is in the 2020s. But Japan was going through the same demographic shift in the 90s that China is going through today, they began to act but the world decided to do things in China instead...and then...its not really clear to me why Japan is not investing as aggressively now (unless they are broke, or the capability to do such investments is gone?).