"Vibe code hell" has replaced "tutorial hell" in coding education
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Re: "Vibe code hell" has replaced "tutorial hell" in coding education
#2Its trained on masses ... well, unfortunately, masses are wasting a lot of dough
Re: "Vibe code hell" has replaced "tutorial hell" in coding education
#3Re: "Vibe code hell" has replaced "tutorial hell" in coding education
#4I won't pretend that it's turned me into a senior engineer, of course, but it's definitely gotten me over the 0 to 1 problem much quicker than I think I could have without it nudging my code in the right direction.
For what it's worth, I don't ask Copilot to write the code, I just use it as an advanced auto-complete, reading the suggestion to see if I agree with it before hitting tab.
Re: "Vibe code hell" has replaced "tutorial hell" in coding education
#5It sort of is, indirectly, and I agree with pretty much everything.
But the bit about sycophancy was particularly enlightening. I actually thought "plain" ChatGPT-like interfaces could be good for learning. But the Youtube ROAS example is really powerful. If the student can skew the teacher's conclusions so much just by the way they phrase their questions/answers, we're going to mislead new programmers en masse.
I'm not even sure that the extensive prompting they say they use for their "Boots" is good enough.
I guess in the age of AI you still need someone to repeatedly reject your pull requests until you learn. And AI won't be that someone, at least for now.
Re: "Vibe code hell" has replaced "tutorial hell" in coding education
#6Critical thinking is hard.
Re: "Vibe code hell" has replaced "tutorial hell" in coding education
#7Re: "Vibe code hell" has replaced "tutorial hell" in coding education
#8While I am not learning "coding" as a beginner anymore, I am constantly learning new frameworks, language features, algorithms etc. as is the norm in the industry, and I disagree it's bad to use AI auto-complete. Pre-AI IntelliSense-style autocomplete from Visual Studio or ReSharper makes learning new libraries and language features much easier. ReSharper for example will suggest taking advantage of new language features when you write something an older way, and many times this was my introduction to that new feature.
The new AI-based autocomplete can be even better; it demonstrates one way to do something and regardless of whether you use it or not, you can learn from it. You have to be curious enough to actually read what it is doing, but if you lack that curiosity it isn't AI's fault (before AI this was just "copy-pasting from Stack Overflow").
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#9I'm biased as I've not been a beginner dev for nearly 20 years, however I have found Copilot is pretty helpful for is learning Rust. In combination with Intellisense, it helps ease some of the mental overhead of the syntax, letting me focus on learning the important bits of the language. It helped me go from opening up a book on Rust to having a working tool in about a week. I won't pretend that it's turned me into a…
BS code smells the same in any language.
Beginner devs don't even know what smelling means.
Re: "Vibe code hell" has replaced "tutorial hell" in coding education
#10As an experienced dev, I hate this trend. I don't need my hand held for 10 minutes; I need to see three specific lines of config that may or may not be somewhere in the video.