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Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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I wouldn't expect much from this government.

The CDU is legendary known for its umpteenth attempt to introduce illegal data retention (condemned by Germany's highest court).

The SPD - which is also part of the ruling coalition - is a flag in the wind as it has proven since coming to power. They will do anything to stay in power.

Deep down, Client Side Scanning that's what both want.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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Handle jetzt: https://chat-kontrolle.eu/index.php/2025/10/02/der-kampf-geg...

Info: https://netzpolitik.org/2025/eu-ueberwachungsplaene-die-chat... "Wichtige Stimmen wie Amnesty International, Reporter ohne Grenzen und der Chaos Computer Club appellieren eindringlich an die Bundesregierung, die Chatkontrolle zu verhindern. Sie warnen vor einem Angriff auf die Pressefreiheit, einem IT-Sicherheitsalptraum und einer Gefahr für die Demokratie."

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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> Under the guise of protecting children, the latest Chat Control proposals would require mass scanning of every message, photo, and video on a person’s device, assessing these via a government-mandated database or AI model to determine whether they are permissible content or not.

This is pretty terrifying, although not unexpected. Given Germany's aggressive crackdown on speech I wouldn't feel too optimistic. If the BKA is going to launch criminal investigations for calling overweight politicians fat, they're probably not going to protect any rights to private conversation.

The lack of free speech laws in Europe is becoming a serious issue

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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post #4

No one should remove from us the right to privacy in chat rooms. Otherwise, PGP might become cool again, or I bet that there will be new ways to chat without mass surveillance.

> Otherwise, PGP might become cool

People need convenient access to PGP. If their App Store removes all PGP apps then they might have to upload their privatekey to a PWA. And then no one's any better off.

If the everyman is forced to choose between being surveilled or using PGP, I reckon I know what he'd choose regardless.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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post #7

How would chat control even work, with federated and decentralized networks? This is the reason you should not use signal. Moxie wants everyone to be in a closed loop, tightly controlled by his decisions. Matrix ftw!

You make those networks illegal to use. Just using them would be illegal, regardless of the contents of your communications.

Re: Germany must stand firmly against client-side scanning in Chat Control [pdf]

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post #7

How would chat control even work, with federated and decentralized networks? This is the reason you should not use signal. Moxie wants everyone to be in a closed loop, tightly controlled by his decisions. Matrix ftw!

Pursue criminal action against the people making apps or providing servers for decentralized/federated networks.
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