NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
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NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
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Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
#2Explanation of the NixOS Steering Committee and NixOS Moderation Team (https://old.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1nrsu9c/nixos_modera...):
> The Nix Steering Committee (SC) (https://nixos.org/community/teams/steering-committee/) is the elected community leadership body. It was established as part of the Nix governance constitution (https://github.com/NixOS/org/blob/main/doc/constitution.md) last year, after which the first elections were held, where 450 contributors voted for the current members. This years election (https://discourse.nixos.org/t/the-election-committee-announc...) is currently in progress. The SC generally is responsible over project direction and community matters, including management of teams. While most responsibilities are delegated, the SC has the authority to step in when necessary.
> The moderation team (https://nixos.org/community/teams/moderation/) was established before the SC or constitution existed. The initial moderators were appointed from RFC 102 (https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/blob/master/rfcs/0102-moderati...), with the mandate to self-select successors. Over the years the team has changed members a lot, none of the initial members are part of it anymore, and the last larger rotation happened last year. The responsibilities include moderation according to the Code of Conduct (CoC) (https://github.com/NixOS/.github/blob/master/CODE\_OF\_CONDU...) of the official community spaces, which is mostly the Discourse and a bunch of Matrix channels. Earlier this year the now-existing SC took on the responsibility of approving new mod team members and CoC changes (https://discourse.nixos.org/t/code-of-conduct-and-moderation...).
Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
#3Explanation of the NixOS Steering Committee and NixOS Moderation Team ( https://old.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1nrsu9c/nixos_modera... ): > The Nix Steering Committee (SC) ( https://nixos.org/community/teams/steering-committee/ ) is the elected community leadership body. It was established as part of the Nix governance constitution ( https://github.com/NixOS/org/blob/main/doc/constitution.md ) last year, after which…
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Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
#4Explanation of the NixOS Steering Committee and NixOS Moderation Team ( https://old.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1nrsu9c/nixos_modera... ): > The Nix Steering Committee (SC) ( https://nixos.org/community/teams/steering-committee/ ) is the elected community leadership body. It was established as part of the Nix governance constitution ( https://github.com/NixOS/org/blob/main/doc/constitution.md ) last year, after which…
This feels like a lot of political baggage for an open source project and a recipe for drama.
Is any of this overhead really needed? What does it accomplish?
(Serious question, maybe I’m just too dim to get it)
Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
#5In my experience watching their mods over the years, they seem to have a big problem with other people having opinions they disagree with.
I get the feeling like their insistence on things like CoCs is ultimately just used as a false flag to censor "wrong" opinions based on colorful interpretations of subjective terminology used in the policy.
And they're moderators, so, what they say is already "the law" (at least in their eyes) anyways... don't need a code of conduct to tell people the mods have the final say regardless.
Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
#6Explanation of the NixOS Steering Committee and NixOS Moderation Team ( https://old.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1nrsu9c/nixos_modera... ): > The Nix Steering Committee (SC) ( https://nixos.org/community/teams/steering-committee/ ) is the elected community leadership body. It was established as part of the Nix governance constitution ( https://github.com/NixOS/org/blob/main/doc/constitution.md ) last year, after which…
This feels like a lot of political baggage for an open source project and a recipe for drama. Is any of this overhead really needed? What does it accomplish? (Serious question, maybe I’m just too dim to get it)
It mirrors the complexity of Nix and NixOS. Similar to Rust and all its community drama.
Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
#7Explanation of the NixOS Steering Committee and NixOS Moderation Team ( https://old.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1nrsu9c/nixos_modera... ): > The Nix Steering Committee (SC) ( https://nixos.org/community/teams/steering-committee/ ) is the elected community leadership body. It was established as part of the Nix governance constitution ( https://github.com/NixOS/org/blob/main/doc/constitution.md ) last year, after which…
This feels like a lot of political baggage for an open source project and a recipe for drama. Is any of this overhead really needed? What does it accomplish? (Serious question, maybe I’m just too dim to get it)
All large organisations have huge amounts of "useless" overhead. When this overhead is removed, you no longer have a large organisation. Sometimes, having a large organisation is worth the overhead: organisations quietly solve a great deal of issues. But, since they do this quietly, it can be hard to tell which issues they solve; and they loudly create a lot of issues, too. This means it can be hard to tell when they are or aren't worth it, and when organisational reform would actually be expected to improve things.
Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
#8Just to be clear: in some drama about one year ago the moderation team considered that people could be banned solely based on their political opinions if those happened to be right-wing / MAGA / anti-wokism.
Then the drama extended because people, even if they weren't right-wing/MAGA/anti-wokism had to agree with the moderators' political opinions.
So when TFA writes this:
> apparently trying to address perceptions of political bias by making political appointments
What they really mean is: "We went so far left our brains left our bodies and we now consider anyone to the right of Stalin to be a nazi".
Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
#9Why do these useless Wrong Think police keep inserting themselves in open source projects? No one wants the drama they bring to their projects. People are just trying to build software... Open source is not a platform for forcing political and social views on people, and not wanting to be a part of that isn't equivalent to opposing it.
If you're out there crawling open source projects: looking to insert "acceptable usage guides", edit doc language to be Correct (tm), or ready to jump into essays on being persecuted, people should just start blocking these posters.
Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
#10Explanation of the NixOS Steering Committee and NixOS Moderation Team ( https://old.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1nrsu9c/nixos_modera... ): > The Nix Steering Committee (SC) ( https://nixos.org/community/teams/steering-committee/ ) is the elected community leadership body. It was established as part of the Nix governance constitution ( https://github.com/NixOS/org/blob/main/doc/constitution.md ) last year, after which…
This feels like a lot of political baggage for an open source project and a recipe for drama. Is any of this overhead really needed? What does it accomplish? (Serious question, maybe I’m just too dim to get it)
It seems to be a combination of a lot of corporations using NixOS and a lot of community members using it as their personal distro. Nix is pretty flexible as a package manager but there are tensions that do crop up and you get arguments over really unimportant things that just sort of escalate because people bring in politics and all sorts of other stuff. And my understanding is that the moderation team was cooling off a lot of these disagreements, but now that there's no moderation team, I'm kind of curious to see what happens.
Disclaimer: I use nixos but try not to participate in it (private fork), after seeing how they treat prospective contributors.