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Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)

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Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)

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well it don't mean less either.

I mean I don't think it's easy to conclude much here, because economics research is the act of trying to figure out how to look at two different points in time in some way and try as hard as possible to ignore every other of the billions of inputs when looking at a single input.

Dumb example: foreign company wants to start a branch office in the US, by sending in a bunch of people from its head office to spin it up. The branch office will be in a new building, and the branch office needs a janitor. Visa shenanigans mean the foreign company decides against doing this. Branch office is shut down, one less janitorial job.

Silly but I think it's very easy to concoct these kinds of qualitative stories to infer the theoretical possibility of some quantitative result. Probably why so many of these discussions go in circles!

The easy counter to the above is to say that the foreign company wanted to start a branch office for reasons, and that those reasons remain true with our without H-1B. My impression is that lots of company decision making is of two varieties:

- If you are ginormous: sometimes you are big enough to where you really can't find 500 IT people for your office in some mid-sized market no matter how much money you throw at the problem, so you try to hire from other places. If you aren't able to find 500 people "quickly" the idea stops being interesting

- If you are smaller than ginormous: almost every decision about hiring is actually extremely personal. New offices get opened because you have a handful of people linked to an interesting opportunity, and its through those people that it will happen or not. Denying access to even a couple of them just denies the whole opportunity.

This is just my own view of the world though

Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)

#5

well it don't mean less either.

It almost certainly does mean less. Numerous studies have shown that immigration generally has a net positive effect on the US job market. It’s the broad consensus among economists.

Racism is crazy. Everyone can look at the US south and plainly see the results of failed policies .. everyone except the Southerners.

Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)

#6
With this change, I'll bet alot of the worlds best talent is coming to Australia. Perhaps we'll be able to set up our own rival Silicon Valley?

The only downside is for the countries these people come from - these countries don't have an immigration problem. Their issue is a much bigger brain drain problem.

Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)

#8
We live in the age of AI, it takes approximately 2-3 minutes to get a condensed report on why your paper is misleading or incorrect:

Control group mismatch: Treats non-profits as a clean counterfactual for for-profits, but the sectors have very different occupational mixes and shocks—so the triple-diff can pick up sectoral composition, not policy.

Short pre-trend: Only a tiny non-binding window to test parallel trends → weak pre-trend evidence.

Approvals ≠ demand: Uses approved H-1Bs (not applications), so results reflect rationed outcomes and USCIS processing quirks, not employer demand.

Strong wage-equalization assumption: Identification leans on wages equalizing across very different employers; if sector premia move (e.g., recession), estimates drift.

Relative, not absolute, effect: The estimate is “for-profit vs. non-profit”; if non-profits expand (cap-exempt), the “effect” can be reallocation, not a true for-profit decline.

Recession confound: Lottery years coincide with 2008–09; macro shocks can differentially hit new vs. established hires across sectors.

Noisy worker/firm measures: Experience is imputed (age minus stylized schooling ages); employer names are inconsistently harmonized → concentration trends may be artifacts; “large firm” cutoff is arbitrary.

Wage results are shaky: Based on offer wages (not realized), trimmed, and imprecise—tail stories are fragile.

Placebo underpowered/misaligned: Native “no effect” test is noisy and not analogous to “new vs. established” H-1Bs, so it’s weak evidence on substitutability.

Ignores geography: Cells are national; regional wage floors and local cycles could drive composition shifts.

Net: clever design but brittle; treat findings as suggestive reallocation under approvals data, not clean causal effects on demand, wages, or “top talent.”

Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)

#9
There is some evidence of fraud, substitution of native workers with H-1Bs, power imbalances and more playing a part in the labor market. A lot of Americans, including in tech seem to be clamoring for less H-1Bs and immigrants, let them have it and see how it goes. Maybe it really will be better. It should be a win-win where India gets to keep more of its best talent and the US native population has less competition.

Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)

#10
Outsourcing has never worked for core products and innovation. Anyone claiming all these jobs will go over seas has never tried to outsource something complex. Zero large cap businesses have succeeded at this. The outsourcing comes in long after the innovation has stalled and the product is KTLO
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