The Poison Within Patriotism
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The Poison Within Patriotism
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#2To the contrary internationalist left movements have failed to appreciate that nationalistic feeling means something to people and you wind up with own goals like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brest-Litovsk
It's not like you have a choice between nationalism and enlightmentment, anomie is a likely outcome too.
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#4To me, Nationalism and Patriotism mean different things.
At least to me:
Patriotism: the belief in the ideals of your country, in its people and its ability to strive towards that ideal state.
Nationalism: A strong identity tied to ones nation as it exists today (or in the past) at the exclusion of others or other thought
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#5>There are groups I'm not part of. This makes me sad. I want to be part of those groups.
Yes, but that inherently dilutes the very conception of a group. This is pretty basic stuff. Groups must be exclusive or they have no meaning.
I understand this will make some people sad and, unfortunately, that's okay.
It makes me sad that I will never be Japanese. What a beautiful country. Man, am I sad. But that's alright, isn't it?
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#6To the contrary internationalist left movements have failed to appreciate that nationalistic feeling means something to people and you wind up with own goals like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brest-Litovsk It's not like you have a choice between nationalism and enlightmentment, anomie is a likely outcome too.
I more read it as blind patriotism is limiting.
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Are you saying not being able to relate to woman well is the same as being made to feel like an outsider?
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#8To me, Nationalism and Patriotism mean different things. At least to me: Patriotism: the belief in the ideals of your country, in its people and its ability to strive towards that ideal state. Nationalism: A strong identity tied to ones nation as it exists today (or in the past) at the exclusion of others or other thought
I agree with your definition, but I don't think the author is using "patriotism" literally this way.
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#10No, this is insane. I will make a thousand people uncomfortable on group dates if that's what it takes to have an actual country.
Are people hurt? Are things unfair? Would it be kinder and more humane if we could see each others' souls, and trust prevailed? Absolutely.
But we can not. And there is an asymmetry to civilization---it is easier to destroy than to build. This makes division and exclusion (other names: protection, safeguarding, immune system, comment moderation, firewalls, safe sex) practical and essential. Do you want your startup's bank account "united and standing together" with some other startup's bank account? Division allows good things to remain good.
None of this is to say all gatekeepers are honest, all standards are fair, or that injustice doesn't exist. Everything is a work in progress. But if the worst you have to complain about is an inconsequential misunderstanding on a group date, count yourself lucky.