Huawei's star AI model was built on burnout and plagiarism
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Huawei's star AI model was built on burnout and plagiarism
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Re: Huawei's star AI model was built on burnout and plagiarism
#2So... the same things as every other foundational model?
Re: Huawei's star AI model was built on burnout and plagiarism
#3What if there truly is no moat?
What if you can just hook your AI system up to some other AI system and drain everything? No weights access required. Just train on the raw inputs/outputs.
What stops this from being the future?
Re: Huawei's star AI model was built on burnout and plagiarism
#4What if there truly is no moat? What if you can just hook your AI system up to some other AI system and drain everything? No weights access required. Just train on the raw inputs/outputs. What stops this from being the future?
Isn't that today? (or, perhaps more pedantically, yesterday and today and tomorrow?)
Re: Huawei's star AI model was built on burnout and plagiarism
#5Very reminiscent of the internal feuds at Meta around the Llama 1 timeframe (~2 years ago).
Re: Huawei's star AI model was built on burnout and plagiarism
#6What if there truly is no moat? What if you can just hook your AI system up to some other AI system and drain everything? No weights access required. Just train on the raw inputs/outputs. What stops this from being the future?
Isn't that today? (or, perhaps more pedantically, yesterday and today and tomorrow?)
... and tomorrow, and the next day.
It never ends. There's no moat. One day your at-home GPU will unwind an entire hyperscaler's worth of expertise.
Does the capital outlay get them anything at all apart from a temporary lead?
While you couldn't download a car, your product use might train a low-cost competitor.
Re: Huawei's star AI model was built on burnout and plagiarism
#7What if there truly is no moat? What if you can just hook your AI system up to some other AI system and drain everything? No weights access required. Just train on the raw inputs/outputs. What stops this from being the future?
Isn't that today? (or, perhaps more pedantically, yesterday and today and tomorrow?)
I'm pretty sure I've seen that openai was complaining about one of their customers doing exactly that a couple of years ago. Yes, here https://aibusiness.com/nlp/tiktok-parent-allegedly-used-open...
Re: Huawei's star AI model was built on burnout and plagiarism
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't that today? (or, perhaps more pedantically, yesterday and today and tomorrow?)
I'm pretty sure I've seen that openai was complaining about one of their customers doing exactly that a couple of years ago. Yes, here https://aibusiness.com/nlp/tiktok-parent-allegedly-used-open...
Cosign, happens all the time in my experience, and off the top of my head easily undisputable evidence thats Google-able: early open models on ChatGPT transcripts, Google on ChatGPT transcripts, ByteDance on OpenAI, DeepSeek on OpenAI
Re: Huawei's star AI model was built on burnout and plagiarism
#9What if there truly is no moat? What if you can just hook your AI system up to some other AI system and drain everything? No weights access required. Just train on the raw inputs/outputs. What stops this from being the future?
According to OpenAI, this is how DeepSeek did it: https://hls.harvard.edu/today/deepseek-chatgpt-and-the-globa...
I've had Claude 3.5, Grok 3, and DeepSeek claim that it was made by OpenAI.
Re: Huawei's star AI model was built on burnout and plagiarism
#10What if there truly is no moat? What if you can just hook your AI system up to some other AI system and drain everything? No weights access required. Just train on the raw inputs/outputs. What stops this from being the future?
According to OpenAI, this is how DeepSeek did it: https://hls.harvard.edu/today/deepseek-chatgpt-and-the-globa... I've had Claude 3.5, Grok 3, and DeepSeek claim that it was made by OpenAI.
This is maybe how DS did v3, but certainly not the big technical leap to r1.