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Holographic ribbon aims to oust magnetic tape with 50-year life span and 200TB

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Re: Holographic ribbon aims to oust magnetic tape with 50-year life span and 200TB

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Sounds really good, but neither the article nor any information I could find on the company says anything about read/write speed compared to other options. I would think that would be a big factor when you're dealing with that much data.

Re: Holographic ribbon aims to oust magnetic tape with 50-year life span and 200TB

#3
1) What on earth do they mean by "zero energy storage"? Magnetic tape doesn't consume energy at idle either. Hell, even hard disks can be powered down.

2) "Also, the optical-based new tech’s touted 50-year life is 10x the life of magnetic tape." Say what? Most magnetic tape is rated for up to 30 years in storage. You might only get a few years out of a tape if you're writing to it frequently... but this new format is write-once, so it's not even in the running.

3) People have made wild claims about holographic data storage being the Next Big Thing since the 1980s - in particular, there was a whole wave of them in the late 2000s claiming to have a DVD replacement under development. None of them have brought products to market. I'm not confident this one's going to be any different.

Re: Holographic ribbon aims to oust magnetic tape with 50-year life span and 200TB

#5
Anyone know the history of long-term reliance on proprietary technologies?

I.e., how often does it actually work out for the adopters?

Are their licensing / escrow schemes the meant to mitigate the risks from the original supplier going out of business? How often do those schemes pay off?

Re: Holographic ribbon aims to oust magnetic tape with 50-year life span and 200TB

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post #3

1) What on earth do they mean by "zero energy storage"? Magnetic tape doesn't consume energy at idle either. Hell, even hard disks can be powered down. 2) "Also, the optical-based new tech’s touted 50-year life is 10x the life of magnetic tape." Say what? Most magnetic tape is rated for up to 30 years in storage. You might only get a few years out of a tape if you're writing to it frequently... but this new format is…

> What on earth do they mean by "zero energy storage"?

My guess is that someone from marketing came up with that bullet point, and the company's actual engineers are torn between eye-rolling and wanting to get very violent on the marketing person.

Re: Holographic ribbon aims to oust magnetic tape with 50-year life span and 200TB

#7

What are the chances this becomes a desktop form-factor alike cd drives?

Zero. There's no market for consumer archival-only storage; magnetic tape has been an enterprise-only product for 20+ years. Even write-once formats are barely holding on; recordable Blu-Ray production ended earlier this year.

Re: Holographic ribbon aims to oust magnetic tape with 50-year life span and 200TB

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post #3

1) What on earth do they mean by "zero energy storage"? Magnetic tape doesn't consume energy at idle either. Hell, even hard disks can be powered down. 2) "Also, the optical-based new tech’s touted 50-year life is 10x the life of magnetic tape." Say what? Most magnetic tape is rated for up to 30 years in storage. You might only get a few years out of a tape if you're writing to it frequently... but this new format is…

Guess: magnetic memory exists in a high state of potential energy. This facilitates its degradation. While, say, scratches in stone are lower potential energy?

Re: Holographic ribbon aims to oust magnetic tape with 50-year life span and 200TB

#9
I wish we had something better than "walk through multiple hard drives as a data nomad and remember to use them every now and then" as a cost-effective and consumer oriented method for cold storage. I don't even care for the speed. Tape is obnoxious with high up front investments, not even targeting private use, Blu-ray never really became a surefire way and there were too much uncertainty and variety depending on brand.

Re: Holographic ribbon aims to oust magnetic tape with 50-year life span and 200TB

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post #3

1) What on earth do they mean by "zero energy storage"? Magnetic tape doesn't consume energy at idle either. Hell, even hard disks can be powered down. 2) "Also, the optical-based new tech’s touted 50-year life is 10x the life of magnetic tape." Say what? Most magnetic tape is rated for up to 30 years in storage. You might only get a few years out of a tape if you're writing to it frequently... but this new format is…

Guess: magnetic memory exists in a high state of potential energy. This facilitates its degradation. While, say, scratches in stone are lower potential energy?

That's a clever theory, but the company specifically described it as having "zero energy storage costs".
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