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Sebastian Thrun and Google's Driverless Car (video)

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Re: Sebastian Thrun and Google's Driverless Car (video)

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This field of research is far more advanced than I thought, actually.

For instance, in the minute 25:12, they show a graph that compares how often the time to collision among a human driver (a professional one, actually) and the self-driving car. For small reaction times, the self-driving car outperforms the humans by far. It is of course expected, but it shows that driverless cars are not that distant in the future already.

The biggest issue is how to avoid those outlier situations, such as a plastic bag being interpreted as an obstacle and making a mess. Fixing these is a huge challenge.

Re: Sebastian Thrun and Google's Driverless Car (video)

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I'd be more impressed with a car-less society. More cars, different cars, smarter cars aren't the answer. It just leads to more roads, more urban sprawl, more pollution on the planet.

>I'd be more impressed with a car-less society.

You are basically saying a society without need for any transportation whatsoever. That seems a bit of an unrealistic goal for anytime in the near future.

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I'd be more impressed with a car-less society. More cars, different cars, smarter cars aren't the answer. It just leads to more roads, more urban sprawl, more pollution on the planet.

>I'd be more impressed with a car-less society. You are basically saying a society without need for any transportation whatsoever. That seems a bit of an unrealistic goal for anytime in the near future.

What did humanity do to get around before the 20th century?

I'm not sure that autophil is advocating eliminating cars and roads altogether. Maybe he is. But it seems legitimate to be concerned about removing one limiting factor of car use--the patience and stamina of the driver. A 90 minute each way commute would be possible for more drivers, which isn't necessarily a net benefit for humanity given the increased road use, increased construction further from urban areas, and increased energy use, even assuming these self-driving cars become entirely electric.

I'm as fascinated by self-driving cars as anyone and believe self-driving cars have a useful place, but it's good to question the consequences.

Re: Sebastian Thrun and Google's Driverless Car (video)

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>I'd be more impressed with a car-less society. You are basically saying a society without need for any transportation whatsoever. That seems a bit of an unrealistic goal for anytime in the near future.

What did humanity do to get around before the 20th century? I'm not sure that autophil is advocating eliminating cars and roads altogether. Maybe he is. But it seems legitimate to be concerned about removing one limiting factor of car use--the patience and stamina of the driver. A 90 minute each way commute would be possible for more drivers, which isn't necessarily a net benefit for humanity given the increased road…

StCredZero's law of unintended consequences: There will be unintended consequences. The more energy, technological, and computational facilities involved, the greater the unintended consequences.

Addendum: Not all unintended consequences are bad.

Re: Sebastian Thrun and Google's Driverless Car (video)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'd be more impressed with a car-less society. You are basically saying a society without need for any transportation whatsoever. That seems a bit of an unrealistic goal for anytime in the near future.

What did humanity do to get around before the 20th century? I'm not sure that autophil is advocating eliminating cars and roads altogether. Maybe he is. But it seems legitimate to be concerned about removing one limiting factor of car use--the patience and stamina of the driver. A 90 minute each way commute would be possible for more drivers, which isn't necessarily a net benefit for humanity given the increased road…

Concerned, sure. But also optimistic at the same time. That same 90 minute limiting factor you mention has also contributed to bad things, like the weakening/breaking of many social connections including but not limited to extended families. How many people would visit their several-hours-distant parent(s) more if it were as easy as sleeping in a self-driving bed-car to travel and waking up there Saturday morning for a weekend stay.

And if the increased energy usage is among the underlying concerns, then consider that a business person traveling for work, were they able to use the sleeper-car idea and arrive wherever the next morning (wasting no waking time with the traveling), will prefer that option in numerous plausible scenarios. So such cars can also reduce the amount of energy used on other forms of travel.

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