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ApplePay vs. Alternative Payment Services

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Re: ApplePay vs. Alternative Payment Services

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The author does not seem to understand the difference between Apple Pay (incorrectly spelled as "ApplePay") and in-app purchases, or at least incorrectly assumes both to be called "Apple Pay". This makes the article basically impossible to understand to anyone not noticing that subtlety.

In fact, the actual Apple Pay is considered by Apple to be just another form of third-party payments for apps that sell "in-app-purchase like things" (i.e. prohibited by default, begrudgingly allowed where local law prohibits that limitation).

Apple Pay is Apple's payment card wallet, with Apple completely out of the loop for the actual payment, and there's no extra cost on top of the card payment to the merchant.

"In-app purchases" are a "merchant of record" solution where Apple acts as an intermediary between app vendor and buyer. They handle taxation, refunds, promotion etc., and take a generous cut for that service.

Merchant-of-record solutions have their use case (not everybody wants to deal with local taxation, for example!); what many people are mad about is that Apple generally has a rule that says "you must use ours if you're selling "digital goods" unless you're on a short list of exemptions".

This article, as far as I can tell, is trying to make the argument that Apple ought to allow competition between their merchant-of-record solution, other merchant-of-record solutions, and apps directly acting as the merchant, and I largely agree; I just wish it made that point more legibly.

Re: ApplePay vs. Alternative Payment Services

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post #3

What is this article talking about? Basically every app I have on my phone that takes payments from me accepts ApplePay and also credit cards.

Also the core analogy is wrong: If I own the concession rights for an airport, I am absolutely taking a non-trivial commission on every Chipotle burrito and Starbucks latte sold there.

Re: ApplePay vs. Alternative Payment Services

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post #3

What is this article talking about? Basically every app I have on my phone that takes payments from me accepts ApplePay and also credit cards.

Can you provide an example?

I've just checked 3 different apps which offer premium features. All of them go straight to Apple Pay, without showing any other options.

EDIT: okay, I think get it now. In-app purchases != taking payments in general. E.g. I have different options for payments when using the Amazon app but only Apple Pay when buying a pro version of a metronome app. It's in-app purchases that force Apple Pay.

Re: ApplePay vs. Alternative Payment Services

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post #3

What is this article talking about? Basically every app I have on my phone that takes payments from me accepts ApplePay and also credit cards.

I believe they mean iOS in-app purchases when they say "ApplePay". Swap the two out mentally while reading, and it makes a bit more sense.

To be honest, I'm very surprised by that mistake, given where it's published – I'd hope that people working on GNU Taler understand the basics of their competitive environment.

Re: ApplePay vs. Alternative Payment Services

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post #6
post #3

What is this article talking about? Basically every app I have on my phone that takes payments from me accepts ApplePay and also credit cards.

Can you provide an example? I've just checked 3 different apps which offer premium features. All of them go straight to Apple Pay, without showing any other options. EDIT: okay, I think get it now. In-app purchases != taking payments in general. E.g. I have different options for payments when using the Amazon app but only Apple Pay when buying a pro version of a metronome app. It's in-app purchases that force Apple P…

That's not Apple Pay, these are iOS in-app purchases. If you or the author call it that, nobody here will understand you.

Re: ApplePay vs. Alternative Payment Services

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post #6
post #3

What is this article talking about? Basically every app I have on my phone that takes payments from me accepts ApplePay and also credit cards.

Can you provide an example? I've just checked 3 different apps which offer premium features. All of them go straight to Apple Pay, without showing any other options. EDIT: okay, I think get it now. In-app purchases != taking payments in general. E.g. I have different options for payments when using the Amazon app but only Apple Pay when buying a pro version of a metronome app. It's in-app purchases that force Apple P…

In-app purchases (ie upgrading an App subscription) are different from purchases in an app (ie buying things on Amazon). Entirely different platforms and structures that have been separate forever.

Re: ApplePay vs. Alternative Payment Services

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> Would the EU allow Visa or Mastercard to impose such exclusion rules on merchants who want to accept their credit cards? Definitely not.

I mean Costco has been doing this for many years and people seem ok with it? It's somewhat annoying but I get enough value out of Costco that myself and I think many are happy with the tradeoff.

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