React Still Feels Insane and No One Is Talking About It
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#3Wait until this guy finds out about htmx
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#4This is what happens when a V also wants to do the M and the C.
But I would say most front-end libraries are insane: Their job is to manipulate a tree structure which is kinda slow (still?).
Who would have thought that this problem has such a crazy solution space!
From jQuery to Knockout.js to Angular to Vue to React to Svelte and many many others.
Only a couple of those understand that V = f(state) is only half the equation.
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#5Coming from Angular, too, I never really liked React.
Angular had dependency injection and that made things so nice to work with.
React ended up with Redux and then contexts, which imo are both hacks in reaction to realising who in the fuck wants to pass down a singleton service component which maintains say a db connection down from the root of the project through all the damn layers of the app.
Define it at root, use in leaves via dependency injection. With Angular it was that simple.
Jsx/tsx was always hella cool though, I appreciate writing the v in the c, often with m. Angular from what I can recall was still very much mc, v.
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#6I was like "gosh I feel like he's just complaining about the organic complexity in the domain" and then he says it at the end:
>So, this entire rant about React... it's not even React's fault. Neither is Angular's, or jQuery's. Simply, whichever tech you choose will inevitably crumble down under the impossible complexity of building a reactive UI.
and then he's like "ok the solution is to just not make big interactive software" and I'm like bro that is the opposite of a solution
separately, and I'm not sure how much this is really a nitpick: the bit where he complains about the two useEffects, that's indeed disgusting but that's because whoever wrote it is an idiot, that should be useMemo, and then it would be obvious to read etc. (well, maybe besides dependency arrays being at the end) -- more broadly I'm a bit like "I think you spent <10 hours using a framework, found it confusing, and got buttmad", which, whom among us, but also once again "bro if you just actually read the docs and spend time with it it's fine"
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#7I was like "gosh I feel like he's just complaining about the organic complexity in the domain" and then he says it at the end: >So, this entire rant about React... it's not even React's fault. Neither is Angular's, or jQuery's. Simply, whichever tech you choose will inevitably crumble down under the impossible complexity of building a reactive UI. and then he's like "ok the solution is to just not make big interactiv…
> the bit where he complains about the two useEffects, that's indeed disgusting but that's because whoever wrote it is an idiot, that should be useMemo, and then it would be obvious to read etc.
Given that of the three dependency items between the two useEffects, only one is actually used in the useEffect where it is listed as a dependency, there are deeper problems than using useEffect where they should probably be using useMemo there, but, yeah, it definitely looks like code written by someone clueless about React basics.
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#8You can make a perfectly effective UI in vanilla HTML5 and it will work forever, just like you can roll up for your date wearing practical clothes driving a 2002 Honda Civic, but you’re not guaranteed to look impressive enough to snare the targets. I think the point of all this JavaScript library evolution is not to be a good coder or a practical husband.
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#9Redux is a simple and elegant idea from functional programming, but rather than build up more expressive composable abstractions, most things just ended up larding it up with more and more boilerplate. As for React, virtually every one of the footguns people complain about with regard to hooks was solved in Vue's reactivity system. I'm not so partisan as to suggest Vue is superior for all purposes, but there are just so many developers who seem willfully unaware that there is anything else out there other than React.
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#10You can make a perfectly effective UI in vanilla HTML5 and it will work forever, just like you can roll up for your date wearing practical clothes driving a 2002 Honda Civic, but you’re not guaranteed to look impressive enough to snare the targets. I think the point of all this JavaScript library evolution is not to be a good coder or a practical husband.
HTML5 as in no JS? So full page loads after every click?