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Thomas Aquinas – The world is divine

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Re: Thomas Aquinas – The world is divine

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> A large part of our civilisation rests on the shoulders of one medieval monk: Thomas Aquinas.

The article starts with that but then provides no evidence for that claim as far as I can see. How does our civilization in large part rest on his ideas? What about other civilizations?

The claim about the validity of Aquinas' ideas seem to only make sense if we accept his initial assumption which is the existence of God. But, making claims like this seems almost as if designed to HIDE the existence of such initial assumptions. Call them axioms if you will. They are not "proven".

> Something is good if it fulfills its function

The confusion here is that there is no such thing as "universal good". It is always "good for something" and "good for somebody". Bad for something else, and bad for somebody else. So the claim seems to be that because something is good for somebody and bad for somebody else, there is perfection?

Yes there is often an "equilibrium". It is better to be in equilibrium than to be on the losing side of it. But that is not "perfection" (whatever that means). Maybe Aquinas was not aware that some species go extinct. How is that "perfect"?

I can't resist but quote from one of the great philosophers of our time, Mel Brooks: It's good to be King! :-)

Re: Thomas Aquinas – The world is divine

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> A large part of our civilisation rests on the shoulders of one medieval monk: Thomas Aquinas. The article starts with that but then provides no evidence for that claim as far as I can see. How does our civilization in large part rest on his ideas? What about other civilizations? The claim about the validity of Aquinas' ideas seem to only make sense if we accept his initial assumption which is the existence of God.…

His theological writings had profound effects on the church, the historically dominant power structure in the west and their behaviour for hundreds of years. Yeah defining what's good is difficult, even using information theoretical arguments like preserving or creating order gets messy. But regardless of metaphysical truth there is tons of other stuff to analyse like tracing historical cause and effects of how stuff looks like in the world today back to, theological writers.

Re: Thomas Aquinas – The world is divine

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> A large part of our civilisation rests on the shoulders of one medieval monk: Thomas Aquinas. The article starts with that but then provides no evidence for that claim as far as I can see. How does our civilization in large part rest on his ideas? What about other civilizations? The claim about the validity of Aquinas' ideas seem to only make sense if we accept his initial assumption which is the existence of God.…

Agreeing with you: "Good" pretty much means "an outcome I desire".

Re: Thomas Aquinas – The world is divine

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> A large part of our civilisation rests on the shoulders of one medieval monk: Thomas Aquinas. The article starts with that but then provides no evidence for that claim as far as I can see. How does our civilization in large part rest on his ideas? What about other civilizations? The claim about the validity of Aquinas' ideas seem to only make sense if we accept his initial assumption which is the existence of God.…

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Re: Thomas Aquinas – The world is divine

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> A large part of our civilisation rests on the shoulders of one medieval monk: Thomas Aquinas. The article starts with that but then provides no evidence for that claim as far as I can see. How does our civilization in large part rest on his ideas? What about other civilizations? The claim about the validity of Aquinas' ideas seem to only make sense if we accept his initial assumption which is the existence of God.…

I just did a little AI-based research without mentioning him and sure enough, Thomas Aquinas is one of the roots/pillars that others stand on.

Re: Thomas Aquinas – The world is divine

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> A large part of our civilisation rests on the shoulders of one medieval monk: Thomas Aquinas. The article starts with that but then provides no evidence for that claim as far as I can see. How does our civilization in large part rest on his ideas? What about other civilizations? The claim about the validity of Aquinas' ideas seem to only make sense if we accept his initial assumption which is the existence of God.…

I don't recommend using this article as a serious source of knowledge about Aquinas. Some of the wording is a little iffy as well. For beginners, I would recommend "Aquinas: A Beginner's Guide" [0]. After that, if you want to dig deeper into Scholastic metaphysics in general, consider [1]. There are also books devoted to Aquinas's metaphysics exclusively, such as [2] and [3].

> The claim about the validity of Aquinas' ideas seem to only make sense if we accept his initial assumption which is the existence of God.

Not at all. Aquinas does not begin with the existence of God. Rather, he shows how the existence of God can be inferred from basic metaphysical principles. So you have things exactly backwards.

It is a common misconception that the existence of God must be assumed or that it is a matter of faith.

> The confusion here is that there is no such thing as "universal good". It is always "good for something" and "good for somebody". Bad for something else, and bad for somebody else. So the claim seems to be that because something is good for somebody and bad for somebody else, there is perfection?

No. What determines the good is the nature of a thing and its telos. To be a good human being is to more fully actualize human nature and its end. What it means to be a good turkey is to more fully actualize turkey nature and its end. Perfection is the case when a thing fully actualizes all its potential as the kind of thing it is; there is nothing left to actualize. (Accidentally, turkeys can exist for the sake of the good of others animals, but this is secondary to what is intrinsically good w.r.t. a kind of thing.)

In the case of God, the nature of God is to exist, and God is goodness itself (a transcendental).

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I encourage you not to be flippant about metaphysics. It deserves and requires no less attention and seriousness than any other science, and indeed more, as metaphysical principles by definition underpin all of reality. Get them wrong, and things go wrong.

[0] https://a.co/d/cTumDmM

[1] https://a.co/d/24ssFeX

[2] https://a.co/d/8F93mme

[3] https://a.co/d/25v7XMf

Re: Thomas Aquinas – The world is divine

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> A large part of our civilisation rests on the shoulders of one medieval monk: Thomas Aquinas. The article starts with that but then provides no evidence for that claim as far as I can see. How does our civilization in large part rest on his ideas? What about other civilizations? The claim about the validity of Aquinas' ideas seem to only make sense if we accept his initial assumption which is the existence of God.…

Agreeing with you: "Good" pretty much means "an outcome I desire".

Not at all. People can have bad and harmful desires. The good is determined objectively by the nature of the thing; desire should be aligned with that objective good, but may not be because of some defect.
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