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My A11y Journey

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Re: My A11y Journey

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> A lot of the Linux accessibility support depended on X11 behaviour that is now widely regarded as a set of misfeatures. It's not actually good to be able to inject arbitrary input into an arbitrary window, and it's not good to be able to arbitrarily scrape out its contents.

While that may be true, I'd suggest that it is not a consensus view and, more specifically, there is probably a consensus that the capability to do arbitrary scrapes and inputs needs to exist in a controlled fashion. Wayland had a bizarre stillbirth where the core team resisted screenshots, I can't remember when the Wayland ecosystem started getting serious about enabling screen sharing but I've got a memory that it was post-COVID.

It goes to show how challenging the space is that Wayland managed to keep trudging on, but it was nothing to do with "woke" and a lot to do with "I don't accept that screenshots are a significant development hurdle". I still flat out don't trust them to have resolved all the issues crippling things like autoclickers but I'm hopeful I'm just very out of date. The initial take was poorly designed and that bit Wayland's adoption hard.

The ecosystem may eventually reach the level of capability that X had in a standardised and secure way. Maybe it even has (I doubt it). But there is no consensus that security trumps having a usable desktop. I'm happy with an insecure desktop, anyone serious who wants to spy on me can use my phone. It is wildly insecure as far as I care and I carry it with me most hours. People trade this stuff off for convenience. Every time I've tried Wayland I discovered it had been secured against me using my system to get things done.

Re: My A11y Journey

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friend, its 403 forbidden. I do hope that you can fix it. I wish to read your article! Cheers

seems fixed

Nope. iCloud Private Relay from Saigon, but doesn't work even if I unblock & show IP.

And I don't know why OP is being downvoted. What's the point of putting a website up if you 403 people who try to visit? That is FUBAR BROKEN and is inexcusable, sorry.

Re: My A11y Journey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

seems fixed

Nope. iCloud Private Relay from Saigon, but doesn't work even if I unblock & show IP. And I don't know why OP is being downvoted. What's the point of putting a website up if you 403 people who try to visit? That is FUBAR BROKEN and is inexcusable, sorry.

Dreamwidth pretty aggressively blocks attacking IPs, and has a long cooldown period.

It's completely excusable considering that they have been the target of a lot of bandwidth attacks... and that they don't owe you anything.

Re: My A11y Journey

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Accessibility seems to be the only real weakness of the open source “contribution drives focus” ethos. If I don’t like the way the window manager ecosystem is growing, it is fine if the only thing that blocks me from fixing it is my own laziness. It must not be that big a concern.

But, if an ecosystem that excludes people through no fault of their own grows up, that sucks.

Re: My A11y Journey

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post #6

> A lot of the Linux accessibility support depended on X11 behaviour that is now widely regarded as a set of misfeatures. It's not actually good to be able to inject arbitrary input into an arbitrary window, and it's not good to be able to arbitrarily scrape out its contents. While that may be true, I'd suggest that it is not a consensus view and, more specifically, there is probably a consensus that the capability t…

Wayland early on decided that security is hard and the way forward is to just... not have the functionality. I remember when there was serious discussion copy-paste should be handled by D-Bus service provided by DE and implemented by "major toolkits". Same for anything else that might require permissions (this is how we got portals and their brokeness).

And yeah, nothing in it was related to "woke" (that's just certain dev's personal weirdness), and a lot was related to really weird community situation that X.Org (which is not X11 itself) got itself in, like the costly and failed switch to autotools (they switched, but didn't get the results they undertook that pain for). Meanwhile they were operating from "lowest common denominator" code base that got extended a lot but never truly redone (compare Xsgi, which was a compositing X server and made extensive use of multiple visuals to ensure optimal resource usage).

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