Live data from Hacker News

Rents fall in most U.S. metros since 2023, demand struggles to match supply

seekingalpha.com

1–10 of 57 posts

Re: Rents fall in most U.S. metros since 2023, demand struggles to match supply

#3

what's a good way to reconcile this with the common narrative that there's a big housing shortage?

It means the shortage is being relieved. From the article:

> The construction boom, nonetheless, has improved rent affordability, according to Realtor.com data.

Re: Rents fall in most U.S. metros since 2023, demand struggles to match supply

#4

what's a good way to reconcile this with the common narrative that there's a big housing shortage?

Rents are still too damn high. The shortage will be over when rent is less than 10% of take home pay for a lower class laborer in NYC.

Re: Rents fall in most U.S. metros since 2023, demand struggles to match supply

#5

what's a good way to reconcile this with the common narrative that there's a big housing shortage?

> Still, she added, rents are about 20% higher than pre-pandemic levels, and consumers remain concerned about their financial situation and job security in recent surveys.

When people throw around the word shortage what they mean is "availability at a price I'm willing to pay." Same with labor shortages.

Re: Rents fall in most U.S. metros since 2023, demand struggles to match supply

#6

what's a good way to reconcile this with the common narrative that there's a big housing shortage?

Rents are still too damn high. The shortage will be over when rent is less than 10% of take home pay for a lower class laborer in NYC.

Has rent ever been 10% of take-home pay of a lower-class laborer anywhere in history? Asking because this goal doesn't seem very achievable, but I could be wrong

Re: Rents fall in most U.S. metros since 2023, demand struggles to match supply

#7
post #5

what's a good way to reconcile this with the common narrative that there's a big housing shortage?

> Still, she added, rents are about 20% higher than pre-pandemic levels, and consumers remain concerned about their financial situation and job security in recent surveys. When people throw around the word shortage what they mean is "availability at a price I'm willing to pay." Same with labor shortages.

That's... the definition of shortage

Re: Rents fall in most U.S. metros since 2023, demand struggles to match supply

#8
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rents are still too damn high. The shortage will be over when rent is less than 10% of take home pay for a lower class laborer in NYC.

Has rent ever been 10% of take-home pay of a lower-class laborer anywhere in history? Asking because this goal doesn't seem very achievable, but I could be wrong

it was 2% in the soviet union

Re: Rents fall in most U.S. metros since 2023, demand struggles to match supply

#9
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rents are still too damn high. The shortage will be over when rent is less than 10% of take home pay for a lower class laborer in NYC.

Has rent ever been 10% of take-home pay of a lower-class laborer anywhere in history? Asking because this goal doesn't seem very achievable, but I could be wrong

I doubt it. If we go by the guideline that your housing costs shouldn't exceed 30% of your salary (which I usually understood to be pre-tax), converting that to post-tax for a relatively low-income job is not going to bring that down to 10%.

Sure, that's just a guideline, but it's presumably based on what is (or once was) reasonable and possible to expect.

Re: Rents fall in most U.S. metros since 2023, demand struggles to match supply

#10
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rents are still too damn high. The shortage will be over when rent is less than 10% of take home pay for a lower class laborer in NYC.

Has rent ever been 10% of take-home pay of a lower-class laborer anywhere in history? Asking because this goal doesn't seem very achievable, but I could be wrong

new york city has also had housing shortages since at least the 1860’s [https://www.nypl.org/blog/2018/06/07/tenement-homes-new-york...]
Post reply on HN