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Deep learning gets the glory, deep fact checking gets ignored

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Re: Deep learning gets the glory, deep fact checking gets ignored

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Before making AI do research, perhaps we should first let it __reproduce__ research. For example, give it a paper of some deep learning technique and make it produce an implementation of that paper. Before it can do that, I have no hope that it can produce novel ideas.

Re: Deep learning gets the glory, deep fact checking gets ignored

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"And for most deep learning papers I read, domain experts have not gone through the results with a fine-tooth comb inspecting the quality of the output. How many other seemingly-impressive papers would not stand up to scrutiny?"

Is this really not the case? I've read some of the AI papers in my field, and I know many other domain experts have as well. That said I do think that CS/software based work is generally easier to check than biology (or it may just be because I know very little bio).

Re: Deep learning gets the glory, deep fact checking gets ignored

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Fantastic article by Rachel Thomas!

This is basically another argument that deep learning works only as a [generative] information retrieval - i.e a stochastic parrot, due to the fact that the training data is a very lossy representation of the underlying domain.

Because the data/labels of genes do not always represent the underlying domain (biology) perfectly, the output can be false/invalid/nonsensical.

in cases where it works very well - there is data leakage, because by design LLMs are information retrieval tools. It comes form the information theory standpoint, a fundamental "unknown unknown" for any model.

my takeaway is that its not a fault of the algorithm, its more the fault of the training dataset.

We humans operate fluidly in the domain of natural language, and even a kid can read and evaluate whether text make sense or not - this explains the success of models trained on NLP.

but in domains where training data represents the fundamental domain with losses, it will be imperfect.

Re: Deep learning gets the glory, deep fact checking gets ignored

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Wow, great lead....

The worse science, publish or perish pulp, got more academic karma Altmetric/Citations -> $$$

AI is a perfect academic, the science and curiosity is gone and the ability to push out science looking text is supermaxxed.

Tragic end solution, do the same and throw even more money at it

> At a time when funding is being slashed, I believe we should be doing the opposite

AI has show academia is beyond broken in a way that can't be ignored to the world and academia won't get their heads out of the granular sediments between 0.0625 mm and 2 mm in diameter.

Defund academia now.

Re: Deep learning gets the glory, deep fact checking gets ignored

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It’s like fake news is taking in science now. Saying any stupid thing will attract much more view and « likes » than those debunking them.

Except that we can’t compare twitter to nature journal. Science is supposed to be immune to these kind of bullshit thanks to reputed journals and pair reviewing, blocking a publication before it does any harm.

Was that a failure of nature ?

Re: Deep learning gets the glory, deep fact checking gets ignored

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  > although later investigation suggests there may have been data leakage
I think this point is often forgotten. Everyone should assume data leakage until it is strongly evidenced otherwise. It is not on the reader/skeptic to prove that there is data leakage, it is the authors who have the burden of proof.

It is easy to have data leakage on small datasets. Datasets where you can look at everything. Data leakage is really easy to introduce and you often do it unknowingly. Subtle things easily spoil data.

Now, we're talking about gigantic datasets where there's no chance anyone can manually look through it all. We know the filter methods are imperfect, so it how do we come to believe that there is no leakage? You can say you filtered it, but you cannot say there's no leakage.

Beyond that, we are constantly finding spoilage in the datasets we do have access to. So there's frequent evidence that it is happening.

So why do we continue to assume there's no spoilage? Hype? Honestly, it just sounds like a lie we tell ourselves because we want to believe. But we can't fix these problems if we lie to ourselves about them.

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