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The Unreliability of LLMs and What Lies Ahead

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Re: The Unreliability of LLMs and What Lies Ahead

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It's hard to say "never" in technology. History isn't really on your side. However, LLMs have largely proven to be good at things computers were are already good at: repetitive tasks, parallel processing, and data analysis. There's nothing magical about an LLM that seems to be defeating the traditional paradigm. Increasingly I lean toward an implosion of the hype cycle for AI.

Re: The Unreliability of LLMs and What Lies Ahead

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My experience with LLm-based chat is so different from what the article (and some friends) describe.

I use LLM chat for a wide range of tasks including coding, writing, brainstorming, learning, etc.

It’s mostly right enough. And so my usage of it has only increased and expanded. I don’t know how less right it needs to be or how often to reduce my usage.

Honestly, I think it’s hard to change habits and LLM chat, at its most useful, is attempting to replace decades long habits.

Doesn’t mean quality evaluation is bad. It’s what got us where we are today and what will help us get further.

My experience is anecdotal. But I see this divide in nearly all discussions about LLM usage and adoption.

Re: The Unreliability of LLMs and What Lies Ahead

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It's hard to say "never" in technology. History isn't really on your side. However, LLMs have largely proven to be good at things computers were are already good at: repetitive tasks, parallel processing, and data analysis. There's nothing magical about an LLM that seems to be defeating the traditional paradigm. Increasingly I lean toward an implosion of the hype cycle for AI.

Funny, I don't remember any computer program in the past being able to explain a news article through the lens of one particular philosopher.

Or being able to explain the static physical forces in a picture that are keeping a structure from collapsing.

Or recommend me a python library which does X, Y and Z with constraints A, B and C.

But I guess you can file all the above under "data analysis".

Re: The Unreliability of LLMs and What Lies Ahead

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> Internally, it uses a sophisticated, multi-path strategy, approximating the sum with one heuristic while precisely determining the final digit with another. Yet, if asked to explain its calculation, the LLM describes the standard 'carry the one' algorithm taught to humans.

So, the LLM isn't just wrong, it also lies...

Re: The Unreliability of LLMs and What Lies Ahead

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> Internally, it uses a sophisticated, multi-path strategy, approximating the sum with one heuristic while precisely determining the final digit with another. Yet, if asked to explain its calculation, the LLM describes the standard 'carry the one' algorithm taught to humans. So, the LLM isn't just wrong, it also lies...

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Re: The Unreliability of LLMs and What Lies Ahead

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My experience with LLm-based chat is so different from what the article (and some friends) describe. I use LLM chat for a wide range of tasks including coding, writing, brainstorming, learning, etc. It’s mostly right enough. And so my usage of it has only increased and expanded. I don’t know how less right it needs to be or how often to reduce my usage. Honestly, I think it’s hard to change habits and LLM chat, at it…

> It’s mostly right enough.

Honestly this is why your experience is different: your expectations are different (and likely lower). I never find they are "mostly right enough", I find they are "mostly wrong in ways that range from subtle mistakes to extremely incorrect". The more subtly they are wrong, the worse I rate their output actually, because that is what costs me more time when I try to use them

I want tools that save me time. When I use LLMs I have to carefully write the prompts, read and understand, evaluate, and iterate on the output to get "close enough" then fix it up to be actually correct.

By the time I've done all of that, I probably could have just written it from scratch.

The fact is that typing speed has basically never been the bottleneck for developer productivity, and LLMs basically don't offer much except "generate the lines of code more quickly" imo

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My experience with LLm-based chat is so different from what the article (and some friends) describe. I use LLM chat for a wide range of tasks including coding, writing, brainstorming, learning, etc. It’s mostly right enough. And so my usage of it has only increased and expanded. I don’t know how less right it needs to be or how often to reduce my usage. Honestly, I think it’s hard to change habits and LLM chat, at it…

IMHO it's a great summarizing search engine. I now don't have to click on a link to go to that original source - Gemini just hands me a useful summary. Ask AI to do something specific that requires GI (General Intelligence) your milage may vary. So as OpenAI and Google suck in all your content (creators) you are going to find yourself derive less and less revenue generated by visits to your site. Just sayin.

Re: The Unreliability of LLMs and What Lies Ahead

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My experience with LLm-based chat is so different from what the article (and some friends) describe. I use LLM chat for a wide range of tasks including coding, writing, brainstorming, learning, etc. It’s mostly right enough. And so my usage of it has only increased and expanded. I don’t know how less right it needs to be or how often to reduce my usage. Honestly, I think it’s hard to change habits and LLM chat, at it…

From what I can tell, rather than a simple difference in expectation (which could explain your positive experience vs others), it seems to be a "comfort within uncertainty" difference that, from what I can tell, is a personality trait!

You're comfortable with the uncertainty, and accommodate it in your use and expectations. You're left feeling good about the experience, within that uncertainty. Others are repelled by uncertainty, so will have a negative experience, regardless of how well it may work for a subset of tasks they try, because that repulsive uncertainty is always present.

I think it would be interesting (and possibly very useful/profitable for the marketing/UI departments of companies that use AI) to find the relation between perceived AI usefulness and the results of some of the "standard" personality tests.

Re: The Unreliability of LLMs and What Lies Ahead

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My experience with LLm-based chat is so different from what the article (and some friends) describe. I use LLM chat for a wide range of tasks including coding, writing, brainstorming, learning, etc. It’s mostly right enough. And so my usage of it has only increased and expanded. I don’t know how less right it needs to be or how often to reduce my usage. Honestly, I think it’s hard to change habits and LLM chat, at it…

It's fine if LLMs are used casually, for things that don't affect anyone but the user. But when someone plugs an LLM into Social Security or other governmental bodies to take action on real human beings, then disaster awaits. Nobody is going to care if the LLM got it wrong if you're just chatting with it or writing some wonky code that doesn't matter in the real world, but when your government check is reduced or deleted by an LLM that is hallucinating, then the real problems start. These things should not be trusted with anything but the least consequential actions an individual would use it for.
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