Huawei launches first laptops using home-grown HarmonyOS
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Re: Huawei launches first laptops using home-grown HarmonyOS
#2We should have known that if we limited China from accessing our tech, they'd just grow their own.
The game is afoot, and China knew to de-risk and decouple. I don't think that it can be stopped at this point.
HarmonyOS, RISC-V, DeepSeek, domestic EUV, etc. China is standing up its own tech pillars.
So I suppose American lawmakers see this as a game of slowing down the competition rather than fully impeding it. China will eventually route around every road block, so the question is whether or not any of this will help America keep an edge, or if that edge will even matter.
In the meantime, we're holding up our own tech giants up to antirust scrutiny (and rightly so). But does that also hinder America's lead on China? And, if so, what will that mean for the tech/AI race?
Europe is also hell-bent on slowing down American tech. Again, rightly so - data sovereignty is important, and anti-competitive, monopolistic behaviors have long stifled domestic industry and talent. American giants shouldn't be allowed to behave that way as guests in other peoples' homes.
Re: Huawei launches first laptops using home-grown HarmonyOS
#3Completely new kernel and userspace? Wonder how long until it's Tier 1 or Tier 2 for Rust. ... Do they use GCC in China?
Re: Huawei launches first laptops using home-grown HarmonyOS
#4We should have known that if we limited China from accessing our tech, they'd just grow their own. The game is afoot, and China knew to de-risk and decouple. I don't think that it can be stopped at this point. HarmonyOS, RISC-V, DeepSeek, domestic EUV, etc. China is standing up its own tech pillars. So I suppose American lawmakers see this as a game of slowing down the competition rather than fully impeding it. China…
I hope Europe figures it out too
Re: Huawei launches first laptops using home-grown HarmonyOS
#5We should have known that if we limited China from accessing our tech, they'd just grow their own. The game is afoot, and China knew to de-risk and decouple. I don't think that it can be stopped at this point. HarmonyOS, RISC-V, DeepSeek, domestic EUV, etc. China is standing up its own tech pillars. So I suppose American lawmakers see this as a game of slowing down the competition rather than fully impeding it. China…
Won't claim to be an expert but there were many high profile stories of china breaking up or otherwise limiting their biggest tech companies. Why would the US not propping theirs up hinder america's lead?
Re: Huawei launches first laptops using home-grown HarmonyOS
#6Completely new kernel and userspace? Wonder how long until it's Tier 1 or Tier 2 for Rust. ... Do they use GCC in China?
It's already Tier 2. [1]
*-unknown-linux-ohos:
> Tier: 2 (with Host Tools): aarch64-unknown-linux-ohos, armv7-unknown-linux-ohos, x86_64-unknown-linux-ohos
> Tier: 3: loongarch64-unknown-linux-ohos
OpenHarmony has no support for gcc. All the toolchains are LLVM. [2]
[1]: https://doc.rust-lang.org/rustc/platform-support/openharmony...
Re: Huawei launches first laptops using home-grown HarmonyOS
#7Really cool to see the microkernel vision come to reality
Who in 1990 would have thought a Chinese telecom company would productionize it before Hurd even released 1.0
Re: Huawei launches first laptops using home-grown HarmonyOS
#8We should have known that if we limited China from accessing our tech, they'd just grow their own. The game is afoot, and China knew to de-risk and decouple. I don't think that it can be stopped at this point. HarmonyOS, RISC-V, DeepSeek, domestic EUV, etc. China is standing up its own tech pillars. So I suppose American lawmakers see this as a game of slowing down the competition rather than fully impeding it. China…
> We should have known that if we limited China from accessing our tech, they'd just grow their own.
It was known and was accounted for.
The idea is to make them spend resources developing their own technology on our terms instead of their own.
They were always going to do this, they just had to do it faster than they otherwise wanted to, which has an opportunity cost.
Re: Huawei launches first laptops using home-grown HarmonyOS
#9We should have known that if we limited China from accessing our tech, they'd just grow their own. The game is afoot, and China knew to de-risk and decouple. I don't think that it can be stopped at this point. HarmonyOS, RISC-V, DeepSeek, domestic EUV, etc. China is standing up its own tech pillars. So I suppose American lawmakers see this as a game of slowing down the competition rather than fully impeding it. China…
> We should have known that if we limited China from accessing our tech, they'd just grow their own. It was known and was accounted for. The idea is to make them spend resources developing their own technology on our terms instead of their own. They were always going to do this, they just had to do it faster than they otherwise wanted to, which has an opportunity cost.
> They were always going to do this, they just had to do it faster than they otherwise wanted to, which has an opportunity cost.
It will pay itself and offset those costs once they reach breakeven and start selling their equal or better tech in the international market, displacing the incumbents.
Re: Huawei launches first laptops using home-grown HarmonyOS
#10With this, China is ahead.
HarmonyOS is a modern (post-Liedtke) microkernel, multi-server OS.
Meanwhile, the rest of the world is stuck with the likes of Linux (monolithic), Windows NT (ugly hybrid) and MacOS (pre-liedtke Mach, hybrid, ugly).
Good technology exists (e.g. seL4, genode, RISC-V) but we seem to be stuck investing into bad tech.