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Mississippi Can't Possibly Have Good Schools

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Re: Mississippi Can't Possibly Have Good Schools

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This was very interesting to read, and news to me. It's gratifying to see Mississippi prove that it's possible to break out of a pattern of failure. I would love to see a discussion around the specific policies and practices that MS has put in place to actually achieve these results. The article doesn't really discuss that.

Re: Mississippi Can't Possibly Have Good Schools

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"Painting the Deep South as an embarrassing cultural backwater is one of the last socially acceptable forms of prejudice among elites. It’s not just tolerated - it’s venerated."

Warning: possible flame bait, though I do not intend it this way. I am serious.

I've had this thought for quite a while: the (social) left could pivot and win by being more woke.

WTF? What I mean by this is: expand diversity and inclusion to include rural American white culture, Christian conservative culture, and all the rest of what the American academic (mostly urban, mostly middle class to wealthy, mostly coastal) left culture considers out-groups.

DEI should include the "deplorables." (I knew Hillary Clinton was going to lose when she said that. What cringe.)

An American woke social liberal would not go to India and immediately start trashing rural conservative Hindu culture. They would not travel to Saudi Arabia and start trashing poor rural Muslims for having views they disagree with. They're even willing to stick up for Palestinian Muslims in spite of their social views. Why can't they extend this to their own country?

What would sticking up for the "deplorables" look like? First, it would be to stop trashing them. Then it would be to stick up for their rights and defend their needs and go to bat for them against the very real social and economic adversaries that they face. Talk about the opioid epidemic. Talk about the hollowing out of the rural economy. Propose solutions.

You don't win friends or change peoples' minds by mocking and bashing people. That just makes them double down out of spite. There's a very large -- probably double digit -- percentage of die-hard MAGA Trump supporters whose real reason for supporting him is because comparatively-rich white coastal educated liberals hate him. It's a big "fuck you." These people have been the butt of jokes for decades, and they notice. They know they are mocked as dumb, in-bred, ignorant, bigoted, small minded, etc.

Re: Mississippi Can't Possibly Have Good Schools

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Not to diminish the achievement, but the chosen metrics seem pretty narrow. Why no mention of 5th grade reading level? Or second grade math? It gives the impression that the author is extrapolating from outliers rather and identifying a student body wide trend. Especially when no insight to what is driving this is given.

Re: Mississippi Can't Possibly Have Good Schools

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Not to diminish the achievement, but the chosen metrics seem pretty narrow. Why no mention of 5th grade reading level? Or second grade math? It gives the impression that the author is extrapolating from outliers rather and identifying a student body wide trend. Especially when no insight to what is driving this is given.

Those are the only grade levels at which the NAEP is administered.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/guides/scores_achv.asp...

I’d be more worried if the author stepped beyond their scope, and went from observing results to speculating without evidence about what drove the changes.

It seems like enough to say “here’s a big signal that goes counter to the stories we’ve been telling ourselves, it’s worth doing some work to figure out what’s going on.”

Re: Mississippi Can't Possibly Have Good Schools

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Not to diminish the achievement, but the chosen metrics seem pretty narrow. Why no mention of 5th grade reading level? Or second grade math? It gives the impression that the author is extrapolating from outliers rather and identifying a student body wide trend. Especially when no insight to what is driving this is given.

Certain grade levels are considered milestones and national tests are associated.

Re: Mississippi Can't Possibly Have Good Schools

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As someone who attended public school in Mississippi in the 2000s, this is deeply surprising to me. The quality of education I received was abysmal, and at that time there was no sign of anything turning around. Glad that the next generation is getting something better.

Re: Mississippi Can't Possibly Have Good Schools

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I think the comments on the article are a fair critique. Notably that this single metric for educational outcome is not as important as the author is suggesting.

Also, Maine has a huge drop on that chart I'm assuming from COVID. I don't think this is southern states catching up. I think it was just them outperforming during COVID potentially. Whether or not that will last, we will see.

Re: Mississippi Can't Possibly Have Good Schools

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post #3

This was very interesting to read, and news to me. It's gratifying to see Mississippi prove that it's possible to break out of a pattern of failure. I would love to see a discussion around the specific policies and practices that MS has put in place to actually achieve these results. The article doesn't really discuss that.

They hold students back if they don't pass a basic reading literacy test in third grade.
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