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AfD classified as extreme-right by German intelligence

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Re: AfD classified as extreme-right by German intelligence

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Post by incomingpain »

Guess this will be unpopular.

>The AfD came second in federal elections in February, winning a record 152 seats in the 630-seat parliament with 20.8% of the vote.

What does this give german intelligence the power to do?

The german government is now monitoring the telephone, internet, and intercepting emails of their political opponents?

They MAY also be using informants and undercover agents?

The federal ministry of the interior MAY confiscate all the party's assets and shutdown everything including their websites?

Re: AfD classified as extreme-right by German intelligence

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Post by stop50 »

incomingpain wrote: post #3

Guess this will be unpopular. >The AfD came second in federal elections in February, winning a record 152 seats in the 630-seat parliament with 20.8% of the vote. What does this give german intelligence the power to do? The german government is now monitoring the telephone, internet, and intercepting emails of their political opponents? They MAY also be using informants and undercover agents? The federal ministry of…

1. Its in the law for decades, it is derived from the constitution 2+3: yes. After they have been declared as extremists this is permitted under the law. 4. Only after the Bundesverfassungsgericht (supreme court) officially rules that the AFD is working against the constitution and forbids them. This must be initiated from the Bundestag, Bundesrat or from the Federal Government.

Re: AfD classified as extreme-right by German intelligence

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Post by stop50 »

detaro wrote: post #4

Now the election is over and everyone has decided that they really don't want to form a government with them, the agencies are suddenly allowed to state the obvious without potentially embarrassing their future bosses.

Announcing this is considered an interference with the elections, so they delayed the announcement.

Re: AfD classified as extreme-right by German intelligence

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Post by mamonster »

incomingpain wrote: post #3

Guess this will be unpopular. >The AfD came second in federal elections in February, winning a record 152 seats in the 630-seat parliament with 20.8% of the vote. What does this give german intelligence the power to do? The german government is now monitoring the telephone, internet, and intercepting emails of their political opponents? They MAY also be using informants and undercover agents? The federal ministry of…

In theory, this could be used as the basis for the banning of the party. That said , I don't think the incoming government would allow it as Germany isn't super stable at the moment.

At a minimum, this will be used as the basis for removing any talk of coalitions/joint votes etc within the CDU, so Merz or anyone after him can't attempt to go around the Brandmauer(mind you, this will be enforced by the parties themselves, not via law or anything). You can expect the same thing as with FN/RN in France before the developments within the last 2 years, i.e any right wing party not voting resolutions that are submitted by AfD even if they are 95% identical to what is in their own programme.

I think the likely action is that they will attempt to "purge" the Flügel part of the party, with or without the help of Weidel.For example, Marine Le Pen purged the problematic elements of the old guard of FN by herself and "normalised" the party within 10 years.

Re: AfD classified as extreme-right by German intelligence

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

> They argued their party was being "discredited and criminalised" shortly before the change of government.

The AfD is known for their narratives of perpetual victimhood. They conveniently ignore any and all proof, and hope that their followers only get their information from them. It has worked great so far so it'll probably continue to work.

Re: AfD classified as extreme-right by German intelligence

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Post by Freak_NL »

incomingpain wrote: post #3

Guess this will be unpopular. >The AfD came second in federal elections in February, winning a record 152 seats in the 630-seat parliament with 20.8% of the vote. What does this give german intelligence the power to do? The german government is now monitoring the telephone, internet, and intercepting emails of their political opponents? They MAY also be using informants and undercover agents? The federal ministry of…

Not sure what your point is. The AfD is not the first extreme right party to gain a sizeable number of seats. And yes, if they continue to win elections with an ever growing percentage of votes, at one point they will rule, and could eventually change the constitution if they gain a supermajority.

This happened before (it's a been a while though).

Until that happens, they are beholden to the law like any other political party. They do not appear to be singled out because they happen to be the opposition.

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