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'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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The best thing about tech is that technology becomes a commodity very quickly.

Now you don't need to pay huge sums of money to these consultant grifters any more as now AI tools like Cursor, Windsurf, Devin, Bolt, Lovable and Replit can build these apps and websites for you almost for free.

I nearly signed off a six figure deal for someone to make an app for us and we instead went down the AI tools route after some evaluation and prototyping and we saved a lot of money on this to get it built.

This was very sad to read and I wish these people found these tools at all or even sooner rather than plowing their money into scammers.

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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> "Josh Adler - the son of Kerry Adler, a wealthy Canadian businessman - presided over a culture of instability, resulting in high turnover of staff and errors due to "cutting corners" and hiring and firing inexperienced contractors"

> "he "bragged" about living at the Emirates Palace Mandarin Oriental Hotel in Abu Dhabi, boasted about renting a villa in Bali, and showed off a newly purchased Porsche 911 and multiple speeding fines"

Ironically, many of his victims appear to be average people who have invested their personal savings (one actually remortgaging her house) in a website/app idea.

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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The best thing about tech is that technology becomes a commodity very quickly. Now you don't need to pay huge sums of money to these consultant grifters any more as now AI tools like Cursor, Windsurf, Devin, Bolt, Lovable and Replit can build these apps and websites for you almost for free. I nearly signed off a six figure deal for someone to make an app for us and we instead went down the AI tools route after some e…

Sorry, but these tools are far from usable for the average run-of-the-mill guy. They are specifically tailored for developers and people who can code. The people who were scammed were literally average folks, a working mum, a tarot-card reader, a truck driver....

If a scammer wants to, they can flee from all repercussions without building anything, even if all the AI tools were available to them. While Josh Adler is just one person, there are multiple such people in Dubai who've done the same to thousands of victims. Dubai is notorious for attracting those types.

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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> Eventually, she requested a refund through her bank and complained to the UK's Financial Ombudsman Service. A senior investigator there has provisionally recommended that the bank return $39,000 (£30,000) to Amy, according to documents seen by the BBC. She is still waiting for her bank to agree to the recommendation.

Glad that this is possible in the UK. There are a ton of folks in Dubai itself who have fallen to similar scams, but they have had no reprieve from their banks (most of which are actually all too happy to facilitate those scams).

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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The best thing about tech is that technology becomes a commodity very quickly. Now you don't need to pay huge sums of money to these consultant grifters any more as now AI tools like Cursor, Windsurf, Devin, Bolt, Lovable and Replit can build these apps and websites for you almost for free. I nearly signed off a six figure deal for someone to make an app for us and we instead went down the AI tools route after some e…

But tech has always been un-navigable.

Yes, many things can do rapid prototyping, especially for CRUD apps. And yes, professional programmers can go very fast with the right tech. Unfortunately in most cases, programmers use what they know, because discovering the tool that already does 99% of what you’re customer needs is already a lot of work.

So people who are out of the loop clearly won’t know about Bolt or Claude.

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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> Eventually, she requested a refund through her bank and complained to the UK's Financial Ombudsman Service. A senior investigator there has provisionally recommended that the bank return $39,000 (£30,000) to Amy, according to documents seen by the BBC. She is still waiting for her bank to agree to the recommendation. Glad that this is possible in the UK. There are a ton of folks in Dubai itself who have fallen to s…

How does that work? Her bank is responsible for the delivery of services she agrees on with third parties in other countries?

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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> Eventually, she requested a refund through her bank and complained to the UK's Financial Ombudsman Service. A senior investigator there has provisionally recommended that the bank return $39,000 (£30,000) to Amy, according to documents seen by the BBC. She is still waiting for her bank to agree to the recommendation. Glad that this is possible in the UK. There are a ton of folks in Dubai itself who have fallen to s…

I whole heartedly disagree. This guy is clearly a crook, I feel horrible for the woman but this is basic B2B contracts. Banks shouldn’t be the arbiter of B2B contract terms.

Re: 'Tech entrepreneur took our money but failed to deliver our startup dreams'

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>> So don't tell the client that it cannot be done because we'll find [a contractor] that can do it when they've paid

As a software developer (who did contract work in the past). I think this is actually sound logic within certain parameters... Sometimes clients do ask for impossible or infeasible things. But in most cases, the constraints are money and skills. Someone who is good at sales should not have to reject clients because something is difficult. There are plenty of skilled software devs who are looking for opportunities. It's just unfortunate that talent discovery is broken and sales people cannot find technical people who are capable of delivering working products.

In theory there isn't anything wrong with promising something you don't have but which you know you can access through the markets. The real problem occurs when you think you can access something through the markets but, really, you can't because that particular market is dysfunctional.

IMO, the software developer market is highly dysfunctional. There are people straight out of university who know nothing and can't deliver anything on their own earning over $200k per year and seasoned experts who can deliver anything barely earning 100k.

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